[ SECRET POST #3007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3007 ⌋

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Comments

[sapphireblack]

The adult Malfoys are more irredeemably evil than Snape, surely? Lucius, at any rate. Sexy though he is.

[(Anonymous)]

I would agree with that.

Lucius actually kind of falls into the same category as Dolores Umbridge for me; they're both almost on the banality of evil side of things.

[sapphireblack]

Hmm, I'll have to ponder on that. They both seem rather more maliciously evil than that - Umbridge in her sadism and joy of persecuting and purging, Lucius simply in being such an elitist he sees anyone not pure blood as infinitely below him. But as I said, I'll have to ponder it some more!

[cushlamochree]

De-anoning because this conversation is interesting enough to make up for getting bogged down in Snapechat

I think, to me, the crucial point here is that I don't think those qualities are really associated with the broader positions they take on. They are both kind of nasty personally, but at the same time, I don't think either of them has a really ideological commitment to Voldemort or to pureblood superiority. They have prejudices, but Malfoy, for instance, is pretty obviously not that committed to Voldemort, he doesn't take it seriously, he seems to just kind of fall into it as a logical extension of his existing being as an upperclass bully. It's just the kind of thing one does. Similarly, Umbridge doesn't seem like someone who ever made a conscious choice.

I don't know though, you're right that it does bear thinking about. And obviously this is probably all weightier than Harry Potter can really bear, but what's life for, if not applying serious political concepts to a children's book series?

[sapphireblack]

Well quite! :D

Agree with you about Malfoy. Umbridge seems more like someone who's sought out power in order to be evil and sadistic... but I'm doubtless projecting a lot of personal dislikes towards her whole personality type in my reading of her. Also it's been quite a few years since I read the books, so the movie version is more clearly in my mind.

Umbridge just seems like someone who follows Voldemort not out of ideological commitment to him (as you say), but because it allows her to exercise and abuse power over others, whatever group that may turn out to be. Which is a kind of personality I really loathe, so I'm inclined to regard her as very evil.

[cushlamochree]

Yeah, I was thinking about it after I posted that and I think you're definitely right - the concept is much more applicable to Malfoy than to Umbridge. I was totally offbase about Umbridge, she's really just evil because she's evil.

I definitely agree about loathing Umbridge, she's the worst. But I also wanted to say that... I mean, I think Lucius is still pretty evil, even if it's in a different way. Evil that's banal is still pretty much evil.

[sapphireblack]

He's also so stylishly evil (and sexily, in the films), it's hard to think of him as in any way banal ;)

[(Anonymous)]

Lucius always struck me as the kind of guy that joined what he thought was one of those upper class gentlemen's club where it was hip to get pished and go on about how it wasn't as good as the old days and if he were in charge followed by the traditional upper class rant that boils down to "uppity peasants". That sort of club that has been going on ever since the establishment of agriculture over hunter-gathering. The he was unpleasantly surprised, after he got the super-duper top secret tattoo and handshake, that the guy in charge of the club was actually serious about it. Suddenly instead of getting pished by the fireside, sipping best brandy, he is actually torturing people. He's all talk and no trouser, as my late grandmother used to say. In over his head and too little brain (or empathy) to work out how to get out of it.

[sapphireblack]

Yes... Especially once Lucius has to pay the price of being imprisoned.

[(Anonymous)]

Lucius' failing was his pride rather than his prejudice (see what I did there?), he could have avoided pretty much everything bad that happened to him if he just admitted he was wrong and was on the wrong side instead of keeping trying to make it work so he doesn't feel like the gigantic loser that he is.