[ SECRET POST #3007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3007 ⌋

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Comments

[sapphireblack]

False accusation rates are extremely low, especially compared with rates of reports which don't even get referred to prosecution. Fair point about it affecting the less powerful and oppressed more than the famous. I believe Fry was specifically defending a friend of his, rather than making a more social-justice kind of point.

In Savile's case I certainly agree it was about him using his connections and influence. The number of people who knew what was happening but didn't say anything (and those who tried but were quashed by the higher-ups) is truly horrifying.

[(Anonymous)]

Your first sentence gives away the problem here: the low-rates statistics are based on accusations that are actually made to the police, but just as many rapes are never reported to police, the (multiple) false accusations I've seen weren't either. You don't need to go to the cops to ruin someone's life, or get sympathy and attention, or any of the other reasons that really fucked-up people will accuse someone.

[sapphireblack]

The "sympathy and attention" received by victims of CONVICTED rapists in the UK includes posting their name and address online and forcing them to change their identity and move five times (see: Ched Evans).

And if the false accusations you're talking about weren't reported to the police, they're not remotely relevant to Fry's comments.

[(Anonymous)]

People like you are the reason I never came forward after my own rape. He was well-liked, and I immediately would have been painted as a false accuser. Immediately. Even if someone believed me, they never would have spoken out against him because it would "ruin his life."

Goddamnit. Fuck this, fuck you. False accusations are infinitesimal.

[(Anonymous)]

Factually, no they are not. Even going by the 3% statistic, that's many thousands of false accusations a year. (Because, appallingly, there's many times that many rapes.)

I'm so sorry you didn't feel safe coming forward, but that doesn't change math.

[(Anonymous)]

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Which also doesn't change that most rape victims are met with disbelief, blaming, or both. So well done you for helping perpetuate the idea that people do it for "attention."

[(Anonymous)]

People will mutilate themselves and poison their own kids for attention. Let's not act like making up something about someone you dislike is somehow out of the range of possibility.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not out of the range of possibility. the point is that disbelieving rape victims is more damaging than the alternative. Of course false accusations are bad, but when you weigh the number of false accusations against the number of rapes that go unreported, clearly one of those things is far, far greater in number, and thus for the greatest reduction in harm it's best to take each accusation very seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

What is your damage? Of course that happens, it even has a name: Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy. But people understand that it is the work of an extremely small sliver of people. Imagine if because of those people, people assumed that every single time a child got sick, the parent was lying and they've actually harmed their child. Imagine taking a sick child to a doctor and the doctor accusing you of poisoning them, then when no proof is found of it, all they do is wave it off by saying "well, you know, the things people do for attention." That's what rape victims deal with because of the extremely small number of false accusers.

[(Anonymous)]

Way to miss the entire point. It's because of that, yes, statistically and ~factually infinitesimal number of false accusations that the other 97% is treated like they're liars or, in your own words, doing it "for sympathy or attention."

Please don't say you're "sorry," I don't want to hear that from someone like you. It's fucking garbage.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mind hearing that the word "infinitesimal" doesn't mean what you apparently think it does?