[ SECRET POST #3007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3007 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What are the sketchier parts? I haven't read most of them since they came out.

I don't remember Pratchett opining about women's sex drives the way Fry has, but I easily could've missed things.

TW Rape

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the early books. all of the watch books. all secondary female characters in most books.

The witches books are not terrible, but everything else shows a real problem with women.

Only examples that's standing out to me is the "Woman and her lover are gay and dress as a man and joins the army because they were both raped" That was probably the most blatant sexism I read, but it is not the only such example. Vimes' wife being the constant butt of fat women jokes. Constant sexualized violence against women. constant references to how attractive a female character is compared to NO descriptions of the male characters (Except carrot, and only then to show that he's so strong and powerful prostitutes are willing to sleep with him for free. Oh, and don't even get me fucking started on his frank millar like obsession with whores whores whores)

I would say he's the worst thing to happen to women in literature, except he's pretty much standard faire for scifi.

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[(Anonymous)]

Dear god, get out in the fresh air and talk to some real people.

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[(Anonymous)]

Number of my points refuted : 0.
Butt-hurt dismissals of feminist issues : All of them.

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[(Anonymous)]

Ok going from the top: where the hell did you get rape coursed lesbianism from? Yes they were horribly mistreated and yes they were lesbians but he never really makes that connection.
Fat yokes are made about all fat characters including Sargent Colon. Not really a sexism thing
No clue what you mean with an obsesion with whores or sexualised violence. He does sorta have the women are sexy men are not view I'll give you that

Happy?

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[(Anonymous)]

No clue what you mean with an obsesion with whores or sexualised violence

Maybe anon is mixing up Pratchett and Goodkind?

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[(Anonymous)]

Not butthurt, I don't even like Pratchett. I'm just giving a little friendly mental health advice.

Seriously. Fresh air, real people, not on the internet. It'll help.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh yes. I look at Angua and Cheery and think "oh god, what horrible depictions of women." Sybil wrangles dragons. She picks them up by the tail. Susan is the granddaughter of DEATH and could eat people for breakfast. Tiffany Aching (unless you count her as part of the Witch books) is caring and strong. Sacharissa Cripslock, for all her silly description, is a strong, competent woman.

"[Mightily Oats] wasn't very old and had a rather ripe boil beside his nose…He had an amazing smile. It appeared on his face as if someone had operated a shutter."

"The being called Twoflower was hanging over his shoulder. It was small and skinny, and dressed very oddly in a pair of knee length britches and a shirt in such a violent and vivid conflict of colors that Weasle's fastidious eye was offended even in the half-light"

"Mr Bent was in every was smooth and uncreased. Moist had been expecting a traditional banker's rock coat, but instead there was a very well-cut black jacket above pinstripe trousers. Mr. Bent was also silent. His feet, soundless even on the marble, were unusually large for such a dapper man, but the shoes, black and polished, mirror-shiny, were very well made. Perhaps he wanted to show them off, because he walked like a dressage horse, lifting each foot very deliberately off the ground before setting it on the ground again. Apart from that incongruity, Mr. Bent had the air about him of one who stands quietly in a cupboard when not in use"

From Carpe Jugulum, The Color of Magic, and Making Money respectively. Those are just the three I had in the bookcase beside my bed. I can't imagine I only have the only three with descriptions of men next to my bed.

From Monstrous Regiment, regarding how Polly wants to become a man: "THINK young male, that was the thing. Fart loudly and with self-satisifaction at a job well done, walk like a puppet that'd had a couple of random strings cut, never hug anyone, and, if you meet a friend, punch them." Monstrous Regiment itself was lampooning the entire "woman pretends to be a man" trope for 400 pages.

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[(Anonymous)]

Iirc, Oat's boil is a running joke...

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[(Anonymous)]

"except he's pretty much standard faire for scifi."

The satirical author uses genre tropes?! My stars and garters, he must be awful.

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[arcadiaego]

The Discworld is both a mirror of our world and a satire of fantasy literature. The brothels are there because high fantasy is obsessed with them (not that I can recall them cropping up that much in the Discworld books I've read, which is 99% of them). Monstrous Regiment is taking its cue from real world literature, legends and folk songs about women disguising themselves as soldiers or pirates and subverting it.

I do think the satirising fantasy thing led to a bit too many beautiful women and ugly inept men in the early books but not the later ones. I've certainly never encountered anything in the books that seems disgusted by or patronising towards women like Fry.