[ SECRET POST #3037 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3037 ⌋

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Comments

Regarding Ableism...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sorry but expecting the world to understand and bend itself to your will is ridiculous.

There's literally thousands of ways the body and mind can be disordered. Even medical professionals don't know them all.

So expecting that the average person will understand your disorder/disability and cater to it is the height of silliness.

Re: Regarding Ableism...

[(Anonymous)]

That's not really the point. If people were generally more educated about disability and more aware of it, the problems would be greatly reduced. If people stopped being so judgemental of people who are different in various ways, understanding every disorder or disability wouldn't be necessary.

Re: Regarding Ableism...

[(Anonymous)]

No, see this is what I mean -- when you say "more education" you're putting the onus on the population to learn about THOUSANDS of different disorders/disabilities, all of which manifest themselves in very, very different ways.

Knowing about blindness does jack shit to help you deal with depression for instance.

No, the public shouldn't be judgmental, but ignorance =/= ableism because it's impossible for the average person to grasp the variety and complexity of disability. At least, not without it becoming a full time job.

Re: Regarding Ableism...

[(Anonymous)]

The post at the beginning of the thread argues (inter alia) that making a negative choice about something which is a feature of a disability is ableist because it involves the possibility of discriminating against someone who is disable for a feature of their disability.

That would seem to require a broad knowledge of all the kinds of things that can be features of disability. Or, I suppose, just not making negative choices or judgments of things - but this also seems to run into the problem of bending the world, since it seems to me that there are many things which we would consider ourselves justified in making a negative judgment about it if we knew for certain that they had nothing to do with disability.

Re: Regarding Ableism...

[(Anonymous)]

See, I think there are two ideas at odds here. One is that a particular trait or behavior has a negative connotation that is looked down on by society at large. There's generally a good reason for that. The other is that some people can't help but exhibit that trait or behavior due to a disability/disorder, which may well be invisible. If a person knowingly judges someone who is disabled for something that person can't control, then Judgy McJudgerson is an asshole. However, there is nothing wrong with attaching a negative connotation to a negative trait/behavior in general.