[ SECRET POST #3037 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3037 ⌋

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Comments

Re: about ableism

[sarillia]

I can't agree with this. I don't think it should be about "this is something done by disabled people, so lay off" but instead "this isn't hurting anyone so stop treating it as some kind of moral failing". And if whatever "it" is really is hurting someone, either the person doing it or other people, then it needs to be acknowledged as a problem. The issue is that people have a hard time separating acknowledging the problem and treating the person with the problem as less of a person because of it. That's what needs to stop.

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you.
I'm diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder, but this sentiment I've seen popping up such as "people who don't like X character are ABLEIST, because X displays traits of neurodivergence such as lack of empathy and violent tendencies", this is making me really uncomfortable. And I'm not making up that particular example.

I know I act "weird" by "normal human behaviour" standards. I stim, pace around a lot, get lost in though, probably gesture at empty air if I'm thinking through a possible conversation I might have to have in the future, my facial expressions probably don't correlate with anything that's really going on at the moment half the time. I can't really stop doing all that.

But if something I did was actually harming other people, if I became violent or rude or started screaming slurs and insults at people or such, then that would be wrong regardless of what my neurotype is. Claiming it's okay and getting upset about it is "ableist" is infantilizing. Plus it'd be kind of the same thing as when some kid bullies other kids, and when the bully's parents are informed, they're just like "oh he's just a kid he doesn't understand what he's doing" or "LOL boys will be boys".

When I was in elementary school, the school had one "special needs" class for basically all the disabled kids in the whole town between ages six to sixteen or so. I wasn't there (not diagnosed at the time), although some people I knew were. I think the way they were handled was kind of a mess. We got this whole "you have to be accepting, if they do something weird it's because they don't understand" coddlespeech from teachers. But let me tell you, when you're a tiny eight-year-old minding your own business, standing on a fairly high snowstack during recess, and this huge fifteen-year-old guy twice your size approaches and then randomly pushes you off the snowstack for no known reason, then wanders off smiling, that is kind of really terrifying. I don't think I had to be ableist in order to be scared of that guy afterwards.

Besides, the younger kids in the "special needs" class were terrified of the older ones, too (at least the kids I knew were). Which probably has relatively little to do with disability and absolutely everything to do with the fact that they shoved kids with about a decade of age difference into the exact same class, and bigger kids tend to bully younger ones, and the school had an atmosphere of not giving a damn about bullying.

But the whole "oh waah waah they're disabled they don't UNDERSTAND what they're doing" attitude was... icky. And, in retrospect, dehumanizing. Heck, I'm half certain I remember teachers actually saying that stuff IN FRONT OF the "special needs" (ugh I hate that phrase) students. Also counterproductive, because it would contribute to them internalizing the idea that it's okay for them to bully and be inconsiderate, nothing more is even expected of them.

Actually I just really hate that school and its attitudes towards everything as a whole. Glad they're tearing down the building soon. Yes I know it's not the building, it's the people running the place, but I take what I can get.