[ SECRET POST #3038 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3038 ⌋

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Comments

[chardmonster]

I see no problem with selling fanfic, but I find it absolutely hilarious that you compare writing with a pen and paper, the way most individual humans have written everything for as long as we've had them, to making art with "mud and sticks."

[(Anonymous)]

I dunno, I can see it. Most writers don't use pencil and paper anymore, it's not very practical for editing and at some point, you'd have to transcribe it up anyway because most publishers will want a type written manuscript or an electronic submission. If artists can cite their expensive tools as cost of supplies because this is the reality of how they work, why can't a writer cite use of a computer for writing as well as research?

Fact is, reasonable people don't tell an artist, "No, you don't need to be paid because your supplies cost more. Just buy some Crayolas, paper and or paint from the dollar store." But people tell fanfic writers this all. the. time. because writing is "easier" and "cheaper".

[chardmonster]

I'm making fun of the language, not the fact that people use computers.

I can tell you this, though: as someone writing a dissertation--a roughly book-length sort of thing--you do not need a $1200 macbook to write stories. You can get a decent reliable laptop for $250-300. You could also use a tablet. If you are accessing FS on something that isn't a phone, you're fully equipped.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, sure, I don't think one needs a really expensive computer for basic writing and looking stuff up on the internet. But then I don't find the "supplies are expensive!" argument to be very logical in general since one could easily say the same thing about art supplies. It's very common to apply that argument to fanart only, however. I'm not sure why.

Personally, I wouldn't want to try writing anything of great length on a tablet but I am old (and fat-fingered) and used to a proper full sized keyboard.

[(Anonymous)]

Evidently it's never occurred to you that art supplies are consumed when you make art. To make more art, you must replace them. Do you have to do this with your computer every time you finish a story? Didn't think so. Does your computer have other uses besides writing fic? Yup! (Well, maybe you don't use yours to do anything else, but most of us do.)

Does that clear up some of your difficulty?

[(Anonymous)]

(da)

But you're forgetting that many fanartist focus on digital art.

[(Anonymous)]

nyart

Uh, most of the fanart is digital...

[(Anonymous)]

But most fanartists just use a tablet??

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know my tablet disappeared each time I used it.

[(Anonymous)]

You're comparing apples to oranges, anon. Like the above response said, you can write just as well on a cheap computer as you can on an expensive one. All you need is a word processing program and you're good to go. I wrote fic on a ten-year-old desktop for years; it was a dinosaur, but it ran Word just fine.

If you use cheap supplies for your art, it's going to show. I used to work in an art store and I can guarantee you that the quality of the work you can produce with Crayola markers will not be anywhere near what you can produce with Prismacolors and Copics. There's a reason most professional/serious artists use certain brands of supplies - because the quality DOES matter.

[(Anonymous)]

I write. While I can do it on a slow, ancient computer that only has a dial-up connection to the internet, my ability to do my work will assuredly suffer if those are my only options.

[(Anonymous)]

lol, for years I wrote on a machine that had only a dial-up connection to the internet, and it worked just fine. Please explain how your writing would assuredly suffer (and if that isn't melodramatic, I don't know what is) if you didn't have fast internet access. Unless you're doing heavy-duty research while writing, you would probably get more done if you had no internet access at all.

[(Anonymous)]

... uh, you do realize that a lot of us wrote fic just fine back when dial-up was the only option, right?

[(Anonymous)]

I wrote a novel for my senior thesis in college in notepad on a dial-up machine with a dot matrix printer. And frankly, it didn't make me write any slower, it just made me better at multitasking.

[lb_lee]

Uh, dude, a lot of artists do their work digitally. I did tons of my digital commissions on a ten-year-old laptop with a thirteen year old scanner. I also did a bunch of writing on it. I charged for the work of both.

Sure, I have Prismacolors, but let's be honest here, the quality has gone south over the years. I only got mine because an artist I knew gave me a used set of sixty for five bucks. A lot of my non-digital art, I did for ages with ordinary mechanical pencils and a $5 garage sale set of Rapidograph pens. My most recent comic? Done entirely with a few cheap pens (all but one given to me; the one that wasn't I bought for a couple bucks) on a 5.5 x 8.5 Sanford sketchbook given to me as a Christmas gift.

So yeah, your argument doesn't exactly fly, but I suspect you're trolling anyway.

--Rogan

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I have Prismacolors, but let's be honest here, the quality has gone south over the years. I only got mine because an artist I knew gave me a used set of sixty for five bucks.

So you're using expensive markers but you're trying to act like you only use cheap supplies because you were lucky enough to have a friend who sold you a set for dirt cheap? You're just further proving that anon's point.

[(Anonymous)]

Fact is, reasonable people don't buy a computer just to write fanfic--not unless they're Cassie Claire. (And in that case, they get other people to buy it for them.) Usually your average fanficcer already has a computer that they probably use for school, or a home business, or going on social media and playing Minesweeper. They're not incurring any extra costs by using it to write their fic, and they'd still be benefiting from it if they didn't write fic.

Whereas art supplies have only one purpose--making art. And they're ruinously expensive.

[(Anonymous)]

Didn't know tablets were consumed each time they were used.

[(Anonymous)]

Yours don't!?
You may be from a parallel universe or something, because here everything that's used for art disappears after just one use, tablets included!11!!!

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, because digital tablets are the only way to make art.

[(Anonymous)]

Writers today have it too good with their fancy "pencils" and "paper". Mixing your own ink, fashioning quill pens from goose feathers and scraping sheep hides for parchment is where it's at!

[(Anonymous)]

and the award for today's stupidest comment goes to you.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Mmmm, no pretty sure it'd be your blatant sense of humor bypass right there that's stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I could tell the commenter thought it was funny. Doesn't make it less stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

We get it, you really really really want other people to buy you the fastest top of the line computer so you can do your super awesome fanfic writing and make a profit off of it.