[ SECRET POST #3039 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3039 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Ernest Hemingway (and his cat)]













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Comments

[fscom]

15. http://i.imgur.com/8CJnHiw.jpg
[Ernest Hemingway (and his cat)]

[cushlamochree]

I think, primarily, it's because his writing is very good. Maybe some of his outsized influence esp in the 50s and 60s is due to the kind of thing you're talking about. But he was a really fantastic writer IMO, you don't need to appeal to masculinity or anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Keep in mind a lot of what seems "homo" to us now was not considered that way back in the day. You're applying your modern sense of masculinity and femininity to a period where it doesn't apply half the time.

[(Anonymous)]

OP isn't talking about HIM, though, they're talking about how people now view him. The secret is about why the OP thinks his writing is considered classic now.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been considered classic for a long time and not only in the era of "no homo," which was what I was saying. My comment also isn't about him, it's that we are hardly the only era to see him.

[iceyred]

I always thought EH was overrated. Never under his appeal.

[vethica]

Yeah, same. I just found him kind of boring. It doesn't help that he's big into sports and nature, and I'm... not.

[iceyred]

Nature is fine, but his prose is so bland and stark I couldn't get into the story.

[sarillia]

I'm not that fond of his style, and it's annoying because my own writing tends towards a very terse style that I need to go back and add to but all the writing advice I come across assumes that everyone is too wordy and should try to be more like Hemingway.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not really a Hemingway thing, that's a Raymond Carver / Gordon Lish / The Iowa Writer's Workshop / the last ~40 years of American prose writin gthing

[iceyred]

That style is kinda irritating. I mean, prose doesn't have to come in all shades of violet, but I like a little bit of pretty description.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it's more the preening romanticism that people attach to mentally ill artists like Hemingway. Speaking as someone with mental illness and as an artist, shut the hell up! You don't create great art because of your mental illness, you create mental art in spite of your mental illness! Also, there's the obvious argument that maybe Hemingway would have produced more great art and not blown his brains out if he had been properly medicated and gotten therapy for his issues.

I know I sound so angry, but like I said the preening romanticism pisses me off.

[iceyred]

OMG don't you realize how ~pretty~ it is to be tormented by your own brain?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm here for this secret.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinda agree.

[blitzwing]

What a cute pic.

I don't care whether writing is "masculine" or not, but I do like minimalist writing.

[solticisekf]

Hemingway's somewhat hot, y/n.

[cushlamochree]

On the other hand, Ezra Pound:



It's a shame about the whole crazed anti-Semite thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Hemingway's actually somewhat more complex than that. I would nominate Bukowski or Henry Miller.

[cushlamochree]

God. Fucking Bukowski.

(Does he actually get taken seriously as a 'classic', though?)

[intrigueing]

I just love the way you subtitled this secret, OP :D

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: Earnest Hemmingway and a very cute black-and-white cat

Text: I think the reason why his work is considered classic is due to the austere style and hyper masculine subject matter, so people can point to it and say look, literature can be manly and serious! It’s not all flowery and effeminate like the Romantics! Lit is cool, bro!

So my headcanon is basically that Hemingway is the “no homo” of English literature.

[(Anonymous)]

Best secret ever. I would also like to nominate Jack Kerouac for this title.

But like the romantics, only a few authors have only ever done that style well and both EH and JK are part of those few imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Jack Kerouac is a blast. He never reads as No-homo to me, especially since he had deep friendships with gay men, but he was a total dudebro without shame and I like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Late to the party but I just wanted to say that I love this secret and lol'd when I read it. It's exactly my thoughts.

Also I'm going to send this to my mom. She used to teach English and Hemingway was on the curriculum. So she'd spend as little time as possible on him and then follow up with Toni Morrison or Margaret Atwood. Why yes, my mom had an agenda and it went against the "teach your students about lit by dead white dudes and nothing else" agenda of the schools.