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Why are people treating Freddie Gray's death as a white on black crime when half the officers are black?

Note that I'm not saying that racism didn't play a factor but why is it being presented in some places as a white people issue?

Because most TV media outlets like it like that (at least from what I've observed; I gave up on TV news a few years ago).

Because this is about racism and a system that privileges white people and disadvantages black people. But it is also true that, in the words of someone I heard recently, that when black people become police officers they "drink the kool-aid." And this is as much about problems police culture and police violence as it is racism. But the negative aspects of police culture are pointed towards African Americans at a much higher percentage.

Thank you Anon.

I would disagree that "when black people become police officers they "drink the kool-aid."" The thing is, a lot of racist outcomes in police forces isn't a result of police treating black people badly because the officers were already racist people prior to becoming police officers.

It's a result of The Police (as an aggregate force) treating disadvantaged people badly because that's how the system of incentives is set up in law enforcement, and because most of these are black, becoming more and more racist over time because humans are pattern-seeking creatures -- i.e., observations of patterns > reasons for the patterns. The subconscious memory of dealing with lots of black criminals associated with results that are good for the police tends to override any intellectual understanding of the sociological/political/psychological reasons that explain what they are seeing.

This is, as far as logical reasoning is concerned, no different than any other stupid and narrow-minded employee confusing patterns with reasons, they just have a lot more severe consequences than a project manager misunderstanding a marketing analysis report, and those in charge of training/education don't treat it seriously enough.

My suspicion is that it is simultaneously classist in the way that you describe, and also racist. These are not mutually exclusive categories.

I haven't seen much pointing out "white on black" so much as "on black, yet again"

The point being that black people are victimized by police, which is true

+1

Exactly this.

This. I haven't seen these characterizations of white on black crime, just cops on black person crime.

I'm not sure what it is called, I'm pretty sure there's a word or phrase for it but I'm drawing a blank.

But does America have issues* with white violence/discrimination on black people flowing into black violence on black people?
_{Just wondering because it's a major issue in some of our Aboriginal communities, although the general consensus is it is an Aboriginal problem and we will fix it, so non-aboriginal folk please stay out of it. Prevalence depends on state/city obviously.}

*well, I'm kind of assuming it does because people are humans but is it an acknowledged thing?

I'm not sure precisely what you're trying to get at here? I mean, I'm not sure exactly what you mean in terms of "flowing into black violence on black people."

Certainly, America has huge amounts of issues with black on black violence, and I would say that the liberal / left account of that problem is that one of the fundamental causes of that is systemic racism and the poverty that results from it. I mean, to be clear, it's also the account that I would agree with; what I mean to say is that it's not uncontroversial, and the right wing definitely wouldn't agree with that account.

Sorry, I'll try to elaborate. I'm only vaguely aware of it:

But you know how you got your usual discrimination by majority on minority, be it small casual discrimination or active discrimination, but the minority can't usually fight back so it gets focussed inwards to the community and the frustration is taken out on each other? The best words I can think is like a flow-on-effect, although I KNOW there was a phrase being used for the Aboriginal side of it.

Or a comic I can't find but it goes: Boss yells at man, man yells at wife, wife yells at kid, kid yells at cat (cat stabs boss) <- but that kind of flow on effect but with communities?

*I've tried googling it, I'm sure there was an "official phrase" or something. Keep getting Canada Aboriginals?

I was wondering the same thing. Tumblr hasn't said a peep about how half the officers charged are black, which isn't surprising.

What do you want them to say?

What the fuck are they supposed to say

"Oh, I guess it's fine that Freddy Gray had his spine broken, since half the people who did it were black"

I think they're trying to insinuate that the racial composition of the group responsible weakens the argument that police brutality disproportionately affects black men and that many instances of brutality are racially motivated. So in their mind, the fact that half the cops were black means that racism is over and Tumblr owes them an apology for saying otherwise? IDK.

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