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⌈ Secret Post #3041 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I know it's a trainwreck compared to the books but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the hell out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

But there's people claiming the show's way better and it's the books that are more problematic? Could you elaborate? *genuinely curious*

[herpymcderp]

Well it is and it isn't. In some ways the books are worse, but to give examples the show has just thrown in orginial characters for extra on-screen nudity time or made scenes that were explicitly consensual in the books look dubiously so in the show (i.e. the infamous Jamie/Cersei sex scene).

I still think that on the whole the show is less off-putting than than the books, but if you're sensitive about your media depictions of violence or rape neither one is probably for you.

[(Anonymous)]

oh man, the jamie cercei altar sex scene wank really nonplussed me. The show version was so much better than the scene in the books, because it made so much more sense for the characters and how they went on. same with dany's wedding night.

[herpymcderp]

Well, I think it was better handled in that way as well, since GRRM's sex scenes are nothing more than one handed typing. They don't even develop the characters save for the single time Dany decides to make her handmaid show her how to Do The Sex, which was probably meant to show that she is attaining her Agency.

But it was also worse for...well, the other reasons which have been repeated ad nauseum. I don't think we need to get into it again.

[(Anonymous)]

Notice how all the sex scenes are hetero and woman-on-woman. Zero man-on-man.

Or all the rape happening on women only. Men are safe... in settings of war camps and prisons.

The show at least made it more realistic, with enemy troops trying to -or threatening to- rape dudes too.

[herpymcderp]

Yeah that's another reason I like the show better than the books. They dare to imply that a) men can also be raped and b) homosexuals exist and have sex without being prostitutes or strange exotic foreigners.

[(Anonymous)]

I browsed the GOT tag the day the episode with Loras screwing a dude was aired. I saw so many complains about them making Loras' sexuality 'explicit' in order to get 'progressive points' and moaned how much more subtle the books were about it.

Damned if you Bury Your Gays... damned if you don't.

[herpymcderp]

Well except the books had ....4.. no 5 gay characters in all of the seven kingdoms, so it's less Bury Your Gays and more erasure at this point.

Anyway those people are buttholes who I'm sure also want to excuse all the casual rape as "gritty" and "realistic".

I will admit to liking the books and the show but yeah... that doesn't mean I can't have problems with certain elements, you know?

[(Anonymous)]

Loras, Renly, Griffin... who else?

[herpymcderp]

The two throwaway guards who were not even characters so much as an offhand mention of men who would "rather sleep with each other than any of the women present".

So yeah. Five total, by my count.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh... doesn't Cersei tell Jaime "no" at first in the books as well, but he starts fondling her until she moans "yes"?

[(Anonymous)]

She basically says "not here" but she's grabbing his cock so. Yeah.

[herpymcderp]

Yeah, but it's described as coquettish and it's understood that that is part of their foreplay and something she always does even when she's the one seducing him.

I don't really think the show took that to heart.

[(Anonymous)]

The funniest thing is that director said that it was NOT supposed to be seen as non consensual...

[(Anonymous)]

They're both shitty. Both have a grotesque amount of rape and violence especially towards women, people excuse it as "realism", etc etc. Neither is better or worse. They're an equal amount of awful.

[(Anonymous)]

DA I wouldn't say the show is better but there are a few scenes that are less gross in the show.

And I will say I *really* appreciate the fact that many of the GOT actors were aged up since a lot of the characters in the book are very young. Dany's plot in season 1 for example, is so much easier to deal with when it's an adult actress and not a young girl.

[herpymcderp]

To be fair, Tommon is also no longer like... eight. So.

[(Anonymous)]

Tommen is the only case of aging up I dislike because they made his relationship with Margaery sexual as a result. I really wanted her to just bribe him with kittens...

[(Anonymous)]

I hope she can still bribe him with kittens. They kept Ser Pounce.

[(Anonymous)]

Well he still needs his other kittens! And Ser Pounce needs to come back.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeeeeah, I was feeling so uncomfortable with all the sexualization of young teen girls... I don't want to hear about how the water was caressing a 13 year old's breasts for the twentieth time, GRRM.

[herpymcderp]

No? The preteen lesbian sex just isn't sexy enough for you?

Damn it, GRRM.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. And it's not just the sexualization but it's really hard sometimes to read about all the things these young people go through and I REALLY have trouble with any rape or attempted rape.

I know the books are not for the faint of heart but I have an easier time dealing with certain subject matter when a character is an adult or at least a bit older.