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⌈ Secret Post #3049 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

well he's rich and entitled, and wears "This is what a feminist looks like" without knowing a thing about feminism and making mildly sexist comments, and then there was the whole thing recently about him talking about "colored people" - you have to be pretty damn out of touch not to know what "colored" is an out-of-date and un-"PC" term that was applied to people of colour against their will, where "people of color" is a self-definition.

Cumberbatch may mean well, but so do lots of entitled rich guys who don't think they need to educate themselves beyond the walls of their posho backgrounds.

[(Anonymous)]

What is the PC term then, defined by others? (I'm genuinely curious.)

[(Anonymous)]

"People of color" is preferred term by many (most? probably depends on country) non-white people, though "BAME" or BME" is often used in UK (black and minority ethnic groups).

[(Anonymous)]

+2
Australia is Cultural and Ethnic Minorities, shortened to "Minorities". Usually people go straight to saying the group in particular, i.e. Aboriginal, Muslim, Chinese. Usually just the direct group name and for PC conversations "Minorities".
Never heard of POC outside tumblr and FS.

[(Anonymous)]

tbf, "colored" does not have at all the same history in many other countries as it does in America. in some places it is a perfectly acceptable term that people self-identify as (but, yeah, I'm pretty sure that Britain isn't one of those places). I don't think it's at all unrealistic for some people not to be aware of the negative history of the word

[(Anonymous)]

For some people, sure, but someone as educated as Cumberbatch? Certainly suggests he moves in limited circles and isn't very aware of the issues - and hasn't bothered reading articles (academic or simply mainstream media) by PoC.

Does that make him evil or bad, no. But rolling one's eyes at privileged obliviousness is fair enough.

[(Anonymous)]

Because most educated Americans are totally on the loop about all the special terminologies in the UK or Australia or Sweden!

[(Anonymous)]

People of Colour is a self-chosen PC term by POC Americans. Do not assume it is an acceptable phrase everywhere outside of America. It's essentially the same as using the word coloured here, so it is not always PC. Context, location etc matter.

Important to acknowledge that.

[(Anonymous)]

Basically, if you even think of referring to someone's skin color (ANY color), you're fucked. NO, no exceptions. Anywhere.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I'm just going to start calling people "darkies" if I have to refer to skin color for some reason, because it's not like you can really make it any better.

Once you're into the realm of, "We choose this term and disparage that one," any term can be made "bad," especially including terms some other person tells you to use.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes because this is exactly the same thing as "people of color" vs "colored people" which is the exact same thing in meaning.

[(Anonymous)]

Weird. You sound just like my racist uncle on Facebook.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this.

I would never call any of my black British friends "people of colour" without expecting them to be bemused, if not slightly offended. They call themselves black, so that's what I call them as well. "People of colour" is not acceptable here, and it's not surprising that Cumberbatch got a little confused.

As for "colored" - Americans still refer to themselves as that on some occasions, so how is a non-US person supposed to know it's a bad word?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_for_the_Advancement_of_Colored_People

Of course it's polite to use the correct terminology, but it's just silly to jump on an momentary word fumble when even some African-Americans still use "colored".

[(Anonymous)]

No. 'Colored' is not used by African Americans. It's pretty much exclusively in the name of the NAACP and it's accepted there more or less only because it's been grandfathered in. It would be considered acceptable in pretty much no other context. It's one single exception.

I would also point out the fantastic irony involved here, where you're arguing that people from America shouldn't assume that they know what terms are used and considered acceptable in other cultures, and then making an argument that you know what terms are acceptable in America.

[(Anonymous)]

He is British.

POC is an American kind of semantics shit.

It's okay if he confused two identical sentences one time.

[(Anonymous)]

As am I, and I know that talking about "coloured people" hasn't been acceptable in Britain for thirty-odd years. "Black" or "Asian" (meaning Indian subcontinent) or name of country of origin eg Chinese.