[ SECRET POST #3052 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3050 ⌋

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[Falcon Densetsu/F-Zero GP Legends]


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(Stephen Paul Manderson aka Professor Green, Never Mind the Buzzcocks)


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[Elysium]


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[Jeremy Renner]















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Comments

[sarillia]

I don't think this particular example is a big deal but I have to say I'm not fond of the "it's a fictional character" argument. When a person would say the exact same thing about a real woman (or whatever group is relevant) as they do about a female character because it's based on their opinion of women in general, how is it ridiculous for some people to consider it offensive? Saying it about a real particular woman is worse because there's an individual who has been hurt by it in addition to the other reasons people get offended by comments, but in terms of their views on the group as a whole, I don't get why a person's thoughts on fictional versions of a group are supposed to be completely separate from their thoughts on the real group.

[(Anonymous)]

What makes you think he would say the same to a real woman? I shoot people in video games. I am not going to go shoot people in real life.

[sarillia]

I have no idea if he would or not. I don't care about this example. What I care about is the general argument used to defend him that people treat as a universal defense of anyone in this sort of situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Because his reason for calling her a slut is based on his attitudes toward promiscuity, which he shows in the last quote.

[(Anonymous)]

Which he used correctly. A slut, is by definition someone who sleeps with a lot of people. He didn't say she was bad for being a slut.

[(Anonymous)]

da

a slut by definition is an INSULT.

[(Anonymous)]

Boy do I got some fandom people to tell.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't seem to realise that just because some BNF in a tiny fandom circle use a derogatory term in a casual slang way =/= that term being acceptable elsewhere.

[sarillia]

You know, even if I accepted the whole concept of sluttiness, I really don't feel like four people is a lot...

[(Anonymous)]

Even if it's 4 out of the 6 people you work with? Relatively that's a lot.

[sarillia]

I don't know, in high school I saw a lot of people only date within the same circle of people, so that high ratio of people they had dated within that group of friends didn't correspond to a high number of people outside that circle.

[(Anonymous)]

Four out of the five. The sixth Avenger is Natasha herself. /pedant

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but if you're ayrt, you were asking how someone could know he'd say the same about a real woman. When it comes to answering that question, it doesn't matter whether it's good or bad to be a slut.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. He just call her 'slut' in casual manner. But how more of aggressive, spit-in-the-face type?

Maybe this is irrelevant. But the word 'slut' give me a nagging feeling while used. Either it is used or not.

[sarillia]

Okay, I've been thinking about this and I don't know if anyone will care but I've been finding it interesting and thought I'd share.

Fictional characters are abstract concepts. I think we all agree on that. We can't interact with them in a physical sense. Groups of real people are also often treated as abstract concepts. I think it's hard for our brains to conceptialize millions of individuals all at once. So continuing to use women as an example, you get people who would never say something about their sister or their friend but will happily say it about women in general with the idea that it's understood they don't mean the ones that they know and like, the ones who are individuals to them. So I see saying something about a fictional character and saying it about a whole group of people that character represents as being much more similar than shooting video game people and shooting real people are. It's easy to reduce people to abstract concepts when you're talking about them and especially when you're generalizing about large groups of them. It's harder to do that when performing a concrete action on them, especially since there are few physical things that can be done to such large groups of people at once and definitely not with as little effort and forethought. It's harder to avoid seeing people as individuals then, not that it doesn't still happen.

I'm just rambling as thoughts come into my head, trying to tease out why I react the way I do to these arguments. I'm not trying to claim it's absolute truth or anything.

[maplelump]

dog on a bike has an excellent point.