[ SECRET POST #3053 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3053 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Kid (Charlie Chaplin)/Starsky & Hutch ("Gillian")]


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03.
[Network]


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04.
[Sci-Fi/Fantasy]


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05.
[In Plain Sight]


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06.
[Captain America: Civil War]


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07.
[Samurai Warriors]


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08. https://i.imgur.com/Tr3NZUD.jpg
[NSFW image (shirtless 16 year old? girl), discussion of underage sexuality]


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09.
[Joss Whedon]
















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 011 secrets from Secret Submission Post #436.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

In absolute fairness to them, I think it's important to acknowledge that much of their feeling - at least on the less rabid end of things - comes from a similar feeling of disenfranchisement and abandonment. There is this kind of feeling, that they're being pushed out of science fiction. I think it is in many ways unfounded, and I think their broader political and aesthetic positions are generally stupid and the actions they've taken unwarranted and wrong, but there is some genuine feeling involved.

[(Anonymous)]

And people have genuine feelings about how women are only good for blowjobs and non-white people are all thugs and criminals and homosexuals should be killed on sight.

They're still scumbags.

[(Anonymous)]

They feel entitled to automatic attention and awards because they're privileged shits, and they can't stand finally not having all the attention and power for themselves so they're throwing a temper tantrum.

[(Anonymous)]

...no. It's actually what AYRT said, and trying to deny someone else's experience and replace it with a dumber version, just to make yourself sound more right, is an extremely shitty thing to do. And it's CERTAINLY no way to have an adult discussion.

Now, I happen to think they're generally wrong to feel marginalized and pushed aside, and that even to the extent they're right, they're just on the wrong side of a generally good trend. But that's an adult level of discussion.

[(Anonymous)]

>disenfranchisement and abandonment

No doubt the feeling is genuine, but it is probably based on that sociological phenomenon that's had famous studies done on it (the one about men and women talking 50/50 in a classroom where the men felt like the women were dominating the conversation), wherein although they are still receiving a fair share of attention (or representation in SFF), they are so used to their privilege that it *feels* like they are not receiving enough representation.

George R.R. Martin ran the numbers and it just ain't so.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's about right, yeah. Though to clarify, EVERYONE in the 50/50 classroom felt it was female-dominated, not just the guys. Generally, though, I think that's pretty much exactly what's going on. You see that phenomenon in a LOT of gendered areas.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is their feeling of disenfranchisement does match with their actual enfranchisement. Hurt feelings are acceptable when there is an actual reason, these guys, they are just mad no one is treating them like they are the boss. That is just being butthurt.

[(Anonymous)]

their feelings are completely unfounded and they're simply angry they don't have a boys' club ownership over the genre anymore. there's no need to be "fair" in arguing against outright racist, homophobic misogynists.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for this. It also needs to be said that there are a lot of people who sympathize with the Sad Puppies' feelings but want nothing to do with them, even if you take out the involvement of the psychotic Rabid Puppies. There may be problems with the Hugos system but, instead of finding their own way to celebrate work that is meaningful to them, they spoiled one of our (meaning all of fandom, including the SPs) great institutions, at least for this year.