[ SECRET POST #3056 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3056 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

because they decided to be bitchy about Galavant being saved which... has nothing to do with Forever AT ALL
I'm sorry Forever fans have been bitchy about Galavant being saved, but you're wrong. They are connected. Basically, each network can only renew a certain number of shows, and this generally is done by looking at the ratings with respect to each other. Galavant had horrid ratings. Beyond horrid. There is no way it should have been renewed based on those ratings. Forever also had bad ratings, but they were better than Galavant's. Looking at the ratings there is really no reason Galavant should have been renewed. (The network could easily find another "filler" show for when OUaT is on hiatus, and possibly one that got better ratings.) So I can understand why Forever fans might be bitter that Galavant got renewed and their show didn't, even if it sounds like they might not be acting polite in expressing their opinions about it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not directly the fault of Galavant though. Just like it wouldn't be the fault of Agent Carter (which was a similar situation where I think it got picked up because it's a good hiatus show) or any other show that didn't do well in the ratings that got renewed.

Blame the network heads, not another show. People were literally bitching in a Galavant post and it was beyond obnoxious.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
Agent Carter was in a similar position (and several people had it predicted as likely to be canceled), but it also had being part of the MCU going for it. And honestly? It really wasn't in the same situation at all. Galavant got a .88 rating for one of its episodes. That is lower than at least a couple of shows on the CW, forget on a "real" network. Galavant had a 0% chance of being renewed by several sites, including TVBTN. It is really difficult to fathom why it was renewed; basically, it was a miracle for those handful of fans who watched it.

And that is wonderful for those fans. And I don't blame anyone for the cancellation of Forever (well, other than Nielsen families who didn't watch, but that often happens with shows I like). And I agree that it is obnoxious to go complain about it in a Galavant post. However, your view that they are unrelated is not the case. And that is all I wanted to point out, that there was a connection between the two.

[(Anonymous)]

I never said I wasn't surprised Galavant was renewed because I was, I actually really was because I pretty much assumed it was gone for good. That's why I really think it being a hiatus show DID help it, because in any other case it would have been gone.

I probably should have said "it's not as connected as Forever fans think" but I was mainly pissed off that there were a bunch of fans shitting all over Galavant because their show didn't get renewed. It just seemed silly to me because a. it's not like the Galavant production team were sitting there behind the scenes like, "Yeah, let's destroy Forever!" and b. even if there's a connection because only a number of shows get picked up, it still seems silly to blame shows that got picked up for getting picked up.

This secret just reminded me of the behavior of the Forever fans taking out their bitterness on another show, when they should just leave other shows out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

This. If they were on different networks, the person you're responding to would have a point, but since they weren't, they absolutely are connected.

[(Anonymous)]

They're on the same network but they're produced by different studios. And networks are always going to give preference to shows made by their own studios, because the company gets the syndication money if the shows last that long. If Forever had been produced by ABC, it might have had a better chance of surviving, but it was produced by WB, which gave ABC less incentive to renew it.

That said, I don't know anyone who wasn't still shocked by the Galavant renewal. It seemed like most sites predicted both to be cancelled.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh, I'm not saying I was surprised that Forever was canceled. Based on the numbers, I absolutely expected it to be canceled. Even if it had been produced by ABC studios (which I agree makes a difference with borderline/bubble shows). I was just saying that the Galavant renewal with those ratings was shocking (I mean, does anyone expect it will make it to the 88 episodes required to see money back from syndication?), and that it was connected to Forever's status in that I can easily see why people would be bitter about the situation.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I get that. American Crime's renewal was also a huge shock to me, maybe more than the Galavant renewal. So...yeah. :(

[(Anonymous)]

Emmy. Bait.

[(Anonymous)]

You are correct. Sort of. I worked for both ABC and Disney and I can remember a LOT of shows produced by Disney's child production companies (Spyglass, for instance) that got shit on pretty hard by ABC. It's all what the the execs want, is what it boils down to. Naturally, Disney produced shows get preference, but back in the day, what Lloyd and Michael wanted, they got, and fuck everything and everyone else. If they don't think it's worth it, it's gone. Pack up and go home. So many great shows got pre-empted every week until they were cancelled for lack of ratings. Because they never aired.

A lot changed when Lost came around, though.

I'm so glad Galavant got renewed, though. Believe it or not, that show is so close to backstage Disney you don't even know. Someone on that show has firsthand knowledge of what goes on back there because I started in theme parks before I moved up and all the drunks, sarcastic princesses, out of breath singers, and poor serfs really capture what cast members do when they are not on stage in a subtle but hilarious (to people in the know) way.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, Galavant's ratings were pretty good (all numbers below are millions):

Ep. 1: 7.42
Ep. 2: 7.42
Ep. 3: 4.11
Ep. 4: 4.11
Ep. 5: 3.42
Ep. 6: 3.42
Ep. 7: 4.38
Ep. 8: 4.38

So, they're pretty much on par with Gotham or Sleepy Hollow (minus that dip in 5-6).

[(Anonymous)]

Those are total viewers (I assume?) which are meaningless. Networks only care about the 18-49 ratings. And while Galavant had decent 18-49 numbers for its first two episodes (2.03 and 2.03), its other numbers were bad, with it getting a .88 for episodes five and six. (http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/galavant-season-one-ratings-35158/ ) As I said above, that is CW territory, not where ABC is supposed to be.

Actually, in looking at ABCs numbers, even those total viewers aren't good if you discount the first two episodes as people sampling the show and deciding they didn't like it. (Which seems like an accurate view as the next six episodes are fairly consistent numbers.) The viewers in millions for episodes 3-8 are under the average viewer numbers for every show on ABC (including Forever, obviously) except for Selfie, Chrisela, and Manhattan Love Story.