[ SECRET POST #3065 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3065 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Witcher 3]


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03.
[Shakin Stevens]


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[The Godfather II]


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[A Redtail's Dream]


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[David Lynch & David Cronenberg]


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[Laurell K. Hamilton]


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[Big Bang Theory]


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(Richard Dawkins)


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah atheism isn't like a "social label" you can choose or reject based on whether or not you agree with everyone else who uses that identity. That's like saying "I'm a devout Christian but I refuse to label myself "religious" because of the bad connotations"... it doesn't work like that. It's a word that has a meaning, and it's not a club.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh I'm not even an atheist though.
I'm agnostic.
I used to be an atheist, but after seeing how obnoxious most atheists were, I was strongly put off by it and rethinked my world views.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, seeing that atheists are obnoxious made you re-examine whether or not you believe in god? That does not follow.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course it does. Atheism is believing there is no god. Seeing the behaviour of actual atheists might make you follow that thought to its conclusion: That people who believe in gods are definitely wrong.

If you don't subscribe to that, you might decide that your primary religious alignment is not along the theistic/atheistic axis, but rather along the gnostic/agnostic axis. Most gnostics define themselves by the side of the theistic/atheistic axis they sit on, but plenty of closed/hard agnostics firmly define themselves by their position contrary gnostic positions, rather than as atheistic or theistic.

I can't tell whether AYRT is atheistic or not (they might still be, even if they are also agnostic), but there are DEFINITELY hard/closed agnostics that can not be considered atheist, and many of us came to this stance "through" atheism, much as the OP describes.

[(Anonymous)]

Atheism is a lack of belief in gods. Not necessarily an active disbelief.

Agnostic is "don't know if there's a god or not".

Nothing more, nothing less.

[dethtoll]

[(Anonymous)]

This is absolutely how most hard agnostics arrive at their stance. I don't actually know any hard agnostics who DIDN'T come to their convictions by some variation of the theme of "I thought about/watched the practices that conclude from gnostic

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This is absolutely how most hard agnostics arrive at their stance. I don't actually know any hard agnostics who DIDN'T come to their convictions by some variation of the theme of "I thought about/watched the practices that conclude from gnostic <atheistic/theistic> stances, and am no longer convinced of their value / rationality".

I don't believe a higher power exists, or that their existence can be proven or is worth proving.
I don't believe a higher power doesn't exist, or that its non-existence can be proven or is worth proving.

But somehow, it's never theistic people arguing with me that I'm secretly religious, it's always atheists telling me I'm totes secretly atheistic and just can't/won't admit it.

NAYRT

[dethtoll]

I'm not going to tell you you're "totes secretly atheistic." But you know why atheists are confused by your stance? Because it doesn't fucking make sense.

You're literally telling me that you're an agnostic because some atheists are jerks and... that somehow invalidates a lack of belief in deities? Think about this. Really think about the logic here. This is like some gradeschool stuff: "well some people like it but i don't like them so i don't like it!" The value or lack thereof of a lack of belief in deities should not be dependent on the actions of those who lack belief.

So, hey, great, you're an agnostic, congratulations, I used to be in that club too -- but come by that position honestly, come by it because you feel it to be true, don't sit there and tell me it's because you decided to treat atheism like a form of theism so you can lump the jerky behaviors of individual atheists under some form of imaginary codified "practices" that you can condemn. Most atheists aren't going to put up with that kind of insult. It only works for theists because a bunch of them believe atheism is a religion anyway (so they can condemn it as heresy.)