[ SECRET POST #3068 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3068 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy]


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02.
[Wild Kratts]


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03.
[Harry Potter/Fleur Delacour]


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04.
[Jennifer Barkley from Parks&Recreation]


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07.
[Handa-kun]


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08. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



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09. [WARNING for child molestation]



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10. [WARNING for mental illness/suicide]

[It's Kind of a Funny Story by Ned Vizzini]


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11. [WARNING for rape]













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Comments

A point of curiosity from a non-fan

[feotakahari]

I looked up the relevant court depositions, and it appears MZB took it as a philosophical stance--these ten-year-olds are in my husband's bed because they want to be there, and in general kids have the capacity to say yes or no to relations with adults. Did she ever insert those ideas into her fiction the way some writers do, or did this really come out of nowhere in terms of what she wrote?

[kittydesade]

It's back and forth? I remember there was one book she wrote where an underage character's infatuation with marrying a man twice her age (and in love with someone else) and sort of an older brother figure to her, and having his babies, was depicted as childish and a symptom of her continuing breakdown. The Mists of Avalon series had a lot of uncomfortably sexual young-young women. I don't remember anything quite as bad as Piers' Anthony's Xanth series or, god forbid, Firefly (which includes a sexual FOUR YEAR OLD, if I remember her age right. Definitely pre-pubescent), but there were a number of psychosexual dynamics that I thought were edgy and bold then and now kind of make me uncomfortable. But they also weren't always portrayed as being good?

ETA: Also, at least as far as I read and remember, most of the weird dynamics were between adults of varying ages, not adults and children. And there was one man who explicitly abused a young boy... in his charge? If I remember right. (Dyan Ardais, for those who remember better than I do.) The messed up part is, again, if I remember, he was one of her favorites and more identifying with him characters. And he was kind of ... not a good person.

(On the other hand I'm not sure they were exactly discouraged either.)

[(Anonymous)]

She had a pedophile in her Darkover series, described and depicted as such. Dyan Ardais. He was sometimes portrayed as a villain, but other times as 'redeemed' despite his violent pedophilia. That always bugged me some, even more so now that I know the truth about her. I wonder if he was a sort of self insert for her husband.

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[(Anonymous)]

That was the thing that horrified me the most! Danilo (the teenage character that gets telepathically molested for those who aren't familiar) was incredibly miserable about it and the book goes into great detail about how much he hated it and suffered under it. And then at the end Dyan apparently realizes the enormity of what he's done and publicly humbles himself to Danilo, apologizes and offers amends in a manner that hold a huge amount of importance in their society. And it's made clear that the fact he doesn't face any serious consequences is because of the unfair amount of privilege that his social class has, which is portrayed as a bad thing. So MZB WAS FULLY AWARE OF HOW TERRIBLE A THING SUCH BEHAVIOR IS AND THAT IT DESERVES CONSEQUENCES. In a lot of detail, which makes me sick to think about how she might have gotten knowledge of the thought process of a sexual assault victim. She KNEW how awful it was and she DIDN'T CARE.

[kittydesade]

Yeah, I remembered that after I posted and edited to add it in. And he was my favorite villain and now everything about him is just... gross.