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⌈ Secret Post #3068 ⌋

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[William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy]

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[Wild Kratts]

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[Harry Potter/Fleur Delacour]

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[Jennifer Barkley from Parks&Recreation]

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[Handa-kun]

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08. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]

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09. [WARNING for child molestation]

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10. [WARNING for mental illness/suicide]

[It's Kind of a Funny Story by Ned Vizzini]

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11. [WARNING for rape]

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Cirdan is awesome. I find Thingol and interesting character even if he's a horrible father. Does Luthien count as Sindar? I get comfused as to who is what sometimes. But I absolutely and totally adore her. Also Celeborn is awesome. I mean, he's the reason Galadriel stayed in Middle Earth, so you know he has to be pretty awesome.

It does feel like Luthien is in her own category completely. She's too awesome to be a mere elf. :)

I actually don't think Thingol is a terrible father and I was surprised how mainstream this idea is. I guess I'm just so familiar with the things he does being common in old stories and myths that it didn't seem at all out-of-place. To me, he seemed like he loved his daughter a great deal but then made a really shitty decision that blew up in his face.

I have the same feeling about Elrond (except that he didn't make any shitty decisions). I was so surprised how many people thought Elrond was in the wrong not to let Arwen and Aragorn marry right away (or whatever their issue is). What he's doing is so common in medieval-type stories and he actually is very fair to Arwen and Aragorn. I can sort of see where people come from with Thingol (especially if they are pushing modern ideals onto the text) but I am utterly baffled when it comes to Elrond.

Celeborn doesn't get enough love in my opinion. He's always been a favorite of mine. I'm also coming to really like Oropher, and Thranduil is definitely one of my first loves.

See, Elrond I get. The idea of Aragorn proving his worth makes sense in the context. Thingol, though, juts outright didn't want Luthien to marry Beren. And the task he gave Beren was literally impossible for Beren to accomplish. It was Luthien herself who managed it. Thingol knew he was sending Beren to his death. That was what he expected to result. And considering what Morgoth and Sauron do to prisoners, likely it would be a very unpleasant death. It did result in Finrod and others being tortured and killed.

I don't think that makes him a bad father. From his perspective, he's trying to protect his daughter. I personally believe that he didn't think Beren would actually get that far. Thingol didn't know about Finrod's promise, so as far as Thingol knew, Beren was on his own. Or he would get human help. Thingol was utterly disdainful of humans; he wouldn't have given Beren credit to even get so far as Sauron's doorstep, let alone all the way to Morgoth.

And, I feel he also believed that as soon as Beren realized what a challenge it was going to be, he would give up. I'm sure Thingol wouldn't have cried any tears if Beren had died in the pursuit but he would've thought that justified because of the initial infraction Beren made that Luthien had Thingol promise not to kill him for.

I feel like Thingol is aware that his daughter is the most beautiful creature in the world and people will covet her, instead of love her. He doesn't believe that Beren and Luthien actually love each other. But when Thingol realizes that they do actually love each other and would go through all that turmoil to be together, he softens and even helps Beren out.

I get a lot of King Tritan from The Little Mermaid vibe from Thingol actually. I didn't think he was a horrible father either, though he did bad stuff too.

So, the shitty decision was to send Beren after the Silmaril. Finrod's deaths, Luthien's involvement, Daeron's disappearance - those were the things that blew up in Thingol's face. He didn't anticipate that, and if he had I'm sure he would've made a different decision. As it was, as soon as Luthien is gone, he spends all his resources trying to find her again. My take was that he was concerned for her. I feel that many of his actions stem from love of Luthien. He made bad choices in that regard but that was his underlying motivation.

Imprisoning her up a tree was a warning sign.

I still don't think this makes him a horrible father. I feel like this was just another part of the "blowing up in his face" thing I mentioned. Because he only imprisoned her after Daeron told him Luthien planned on rescuing Beren from Sauron.

At this point Thingol does know that he fucked up with his demand for the Silmaril, and Finrod died because of it. I personally think he felt really bad about Finrod's death but mostly blamed Beren for dragging Finrod into this. But Finrod is dead and Thingol doesn't want that to happen to his daughter. He's protecting her. Obviously it's a terrible way to go about it but that is why he's locking her up - to keep her from challenging Sauron, not to keep her from Beren.

At this point, Thingol's pretty well fucked because he can't really recall his oath (he still doesn't believe Beren and Luthien really love each other) but he certainly can't let his daughter go to certain death. I mean, even if he understood how powerful Luthien was, I think it's fair to think she might not have survived against the person who ended up defeating Finrod. Finrod was a powerful elf too. So, Thingol is right to worry for her safety. It's extreme to lock her up but if it saved her life, I can see him thinking it was the only option. So, it was a very bad decision but not something that makes him a horrible father.

I went through a big Celeborn fangirl phase after reading a long First Age Celeborn/Galadriel fic that made me totally fall in love with the guy (or that author's version of him, rather).

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