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fandomsecrets2015-06-05 06:30 pm
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[ SECRET POST #3075 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3075 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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14. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]
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15. [SPOILERS for Age of Ultron]
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16. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and DragonFable]
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17. [WARNING for sexual abuse]
(Duggar Family, 19 kids & Counting)
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[A Redtail's Dream]
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19. [WARNING for rape]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #439.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2015-06-06 12:48 am (UTC)(link)The whole hypocrisy about how fans are going about this just really annoys me.
And as a bruce fan it bums me out. :T
I can't stand criticisms that just boil down to:
Anti BN: Bruce/Nat is awful because it ruins Natasha's character and makes her relay on a man and her whole existence relays on a guy!!!
AntiBN: (continues to wax poetry for the next five paragraphs about how better Natasha would be with Clint/Steve/Bucky.)
Like omg it's so hypocritical. Like do they not see how little sense that makes. If you don't like brutasha, fine. Your opinion and all. But don't pretend it's for some super progressive feminist reason. Because it's pretty obvious that you don't actually think that way.
all the over aggressive backlash just seems kinda dumb. Natasha has been completely destroyed as a character and was nothing more than a vehicle of Bruce's manpain, Scarlett Johannson must be disgusted, Barton's canonical relationship was only introduced to ruin Clintasha but maybe they'll kill off Laura to put them back together in Infinity Wars. Natasha is actually manipulating Bruce and dosent actually like him. (This "fan theory" is so popular but it's super occ? And it makes Nat look like a big jerkass I don't get why so many Natasha stans ascribe to it.)
It's gross, and I also wonder how good a grasp they had on Natasha's character to start with- she holds her own in fights, she uses words to gain power (the lullaby) over something that she was initially scared of due to lack of control, she adds somebody to her circle of trust after he's proven himself repeatedly, she fights some more, she uses the resources at hand when she's kidnapped*, and when the chips are down she betrays the trust of somebody she values because it's the right thing to do. Then she stays with the Avengers instead of immediately running off to rescue the guy she's interested in, because the mission comes first.
A big draw of MCU Widow is that she kicks all kinds of ass, but gets no gratification from it the way Tony, Thor, or even Cap do. She takes pleasure in combat, but that fact is a mark of shame. She's compelled to do good works to "wipe out the red in her ledger," but by doing it through violence she's honoring/ vindicating the people that made her.
Part of why she admires Banner so much is that he's fighting that same battle between desiring violence and loathing it.
And lol thanks. I've had a lot of built up frustration over this so it's nice to let it out.
OP
(Anonymous) 2015-06-06 12:56 am (UTC)(link)Yes, all of this! This is what I took away from it too, and I thought that was super interesting. Yeah, the whole relationship was kinda rushed and the dialogue wasn't always convincing, but I thought that was pretty much Natasha's arc, not something about her suddenly melting into a tiny, submissive puddle or whatever. She did not throw it all away for Bruce, she stayed true to herself, even when it hurt.
About people hoping that Clint's family dies, LOL I KNOW I have no words. Though I've heard that this is canon in the Ultimates, so...it might happen? (Which is kinda horrible?) Idk.
Re: OP
(Anonymous) 2015-06-06 10:22 am (UTC)(link)*Which is one of the things that suffered from editing and can be icky, but makes narrative sense. Any way they found Ultron was going to be forced. Being the only close range, non super fighter made her the logical choice for capture, unfortunately. She then send out an SOS message; I hear people asking why she didn't just escape, but from where she was she could KEEP sending out the message until she knew it was received even if it put *her* in more danger.