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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-06-07 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #3077 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3077 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Lackadaisy Cats]


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03.
(Gorillaz)


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04.
(Tripping over you)


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05.
[Stitchers]


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06.
[Dragon Age]


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07.
[The Mighty Boosh]


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08.
[LOVE LIVE!]


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09.
[Brooklyn 99]


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10.
[Mad Max Fury Road]


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11.
[Maggie Stiefvater]


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12.
[Emily Alice Ovenden]


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13.
[When Marnie Was There/Omoide no Marnie]


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14.
(Rick and Morty)


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15.
[Suppression]


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16.
[Wall-e]


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17.
[Ancillary Justice & Ancillary Sword]







Notes:

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Re: SA

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-06-08 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure how taking out Reapers and stopping a war plays into a Jesus metaphor. If the only thing you've got going is the name and the (probable) self-sacrifice at the end then it's not a very thorough metaphor (not saying it's not present but Jesus metaphors are present in a bajillion characters in a bajillion canons and they don't always completely line up; I would not say it's the biggest part of Shepard's portrayal). I'm also not sure how the metaphor plays into a "no one wins a war" theme (which again I don't think is the overarching theme of the story, if there really even is one).

I don't think people are mad because the ending wasn't happy? I think they're mad because it was very badly written. I know that's why I don't like it. I was fully prepared for Shepard to have to die and being okay with that, so that's not the part that upsets me.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2015-06-08 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Then you haven't seen as much butthurt as I have over Shep dying. Indoctrination Theory literally exists so people can dismiss the mass genocide they cause to have Shep live. It literally states any other choice is ~letting the Reapers win because lol ur indoctrinated~ and thus the only option is to kill the Reapers thus dooming the Geth and EDI and any other synthetic races out there.

Like, there is literally an entire (bullshit) theory based around the anger people feel in Shep dying. But hey, I found the endings fine and perfectly in line with what was going on, mainly because I liked all of the bullshit space magic.

As for the Jesus stuff, well, there's also the resurrection (I'm sorry but there's literally no way you can spin this as anything other than magic because DNA doesn't hold your personality or anything like that, Shep's brain would have had to be wholly intact for this to make sense and it probably was not due to how Shep died of suffocation and what that does to the brain), the gathering of disciples (Loyalty Missions and such), the miracle survival of what is a suicide mission if you play your cards right, and even the Devil (Harbinger, the first of the Reapers) fucking with you.

As well, when literally all of Mass Effect was gearing up for the Reaper War, of course the message is going to be about how hard and unhappy war is. Otherwise the plots wouldn't always come back to the Reapers. Literally the series is about getting ready for the war and then how there's not going to be a happy ending. The choices were always hard at points and you couldn't always see the benefit (Rachni Queen is a big example--not saving her in 1 can REALLY fuck you over in 3 but you had no way of knowing that at the time). The game is called Mass Effect because it's about how your choices will ripple outward and change everything.
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Re: SA

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-06-10 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
Then you haven't seen as much butthurt as I have over Shep dying. Indoctrination Theory literally exists so people can dismiss the mass genocide they cause to have Shep live. It literally states any other choice is ~letting the Reapers win because lol ur indoctrinated~ and thus the only option is to kill the Reapers thus dooming the Geth and EDI and any other synthetic races out there.

I'm not talking about Indoctrination Theory (which I think is silly) or about fandom at all, really.

I liked the bullshit space magic too, but to me Synthesis was several degrees of wackiness beyond all the rest of what we'd seen so far.

The "resurrection" happens less than halfway through the whole story which is what makes it hard for me to see that as a Jesus thing - especially because Shepard's "death" before that wasn't in any way a martyrdom or otherwise similar to the Crucifixion. The loyalty missions (i.e. developing bonds with your teammates) and having a mindfucking villain are both really generic tropes. (I guess maybe it just depends on perspective? idk.)

So is the game about how choices have ripple effects, or is it about the hardship of war? Is every game with a war story specifically about the hardship of war? And of course the game kept coming back to the Reapers; they're the main villains and main plot devices of ME3.

I kinda feel like you're reading a lot of symbolism into the game where I just see tropes and a story and such. Maybe, again, it depends on your point of view.