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I get that but...isn't it a bit unfair to lay that on ALL the Soviet soldiers?

I mean, there's a French Howlie, even though a lot of French people collaborated with the Nazis.

And, as I mentioned above, the rape and pillage is horrific, but it is by no means confined to the Red Army.

So fucking what if it isn't "confined to the Red Army"? First off, even the Nazis found the Soviets to be alarmingly brutal, and second, did you see the citation above where the Soviets repeatedly raped women who had been Nazi PRISONERS? That's not very liberating, nor is it at ALL a common occurrence that a liberating army's first move is to rape all the women they've just supposedly rescued from the enemy. Second, If the HUGE HUGE VAST MAJORITY of Soviet soldiers were doing this such that it's virtually impossible to even find an account of them NOT fucking shit up even worse for the people they "liberated" than shit had been previously fucked up by the Germans, then yes, it is fucking fair to lay that on all the Soviet soldiers, especially when they are KNOWN to have had a military culture that actively encouraged such behavior. Enough with the rape-and-pillaging-and-enslavement apologia. It's disgusting.

i have seen compelling arguments that call into question the kind of numbers that you're talking about, and especially that call into question the idea that Soviet military culture actively encouraged such behavior.

so, i mean, sorry, but i disagree

You should probably check out some sources that aren't written by Russians. Especially sources written by other Eastern Europeans.

I have, thank you. I don't deny that the Soviets did some pretty awful shit on the Eastern Front, and I don't deny that their post-war occupation was brutal and unjust. I do deny that it was as bad as you claim.

And I would point out, with respect, that if the perspective of being Russian gives one a bias in this matter, as you seem to think, so does the perspective of being Eastern European.

NAYRT, I don't dispute that there are biases everywhere, particularly when it comes to those who are writing their nationalistic history. But if you're going to disregard a conquered peoples for their bias, where exactly are you going to go to winnow out the "truth"?

There are also arguments that call into question the Holocaust and the number of people killed by the Nazis. Those arguments are complete bullshit and so are the arguments that downplay the number of Soviets' victims.

Germany has at least acknowledged their part in WWII, but Russians are still pretending to be the heroes of the story.

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