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⌈ Secret Post #3082 ⌋

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02. [SPOILERS for To The Moon]

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03. [SPOILERS for Orphan Black]

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04. [SPOILERS for Mad Max: Fury Road]

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05. [SPOILERS for Devil Survivor 2]

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06. [SPOILERS for Mad Max: Fury Road]

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07. [SPOILERS for Saga]

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08. [SPOILERS for Daredevil]

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09. [WARNING for rape]

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10. [WARNING for rape/dubcon/etc]

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11. [WARNING for rape]

[Bloodborne]

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12. [WARNING for suicide]

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13. [WARNING for suicide]

[Kiwi!]

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14. [WARNING for suicide]

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15. [WARNING for incest]

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16. [WARNING for rape/sexual assault]

(Rick and Morty)

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17. [WARNING for abuse, sexual harassment]

(My Mama's A Weeaboo!)

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The two best examples that come to mind are Walter White and Ned Stark.

I kind of with Jesse Pinkman had also died, but eh.

I kind of feel that Walter White's death was a copout so he never actually had to own up for his crimes. But if he went to prison, it would've been harder to find the stopping point for the show, but still.

Noooo on Jesse Pinkman dying. I personally expected it to happen, and really set myself up for it, and was amazed when he didn't. He was the series punching bag, which kind of made him making it through alive more surprising and satisfying, imo. He'd already been through so much, and I'm so glad he didn't have a death scene which prompts Walter White's humanity to come back or something cliche like that. Granted, I don't know what Jesse could possibly have coming next, messed up as he is. But that was one time where I felt like the series was more powerful by not killing a dramatic, ticking time bomb type character.

They were both terrible people (well, okay almost everyone in that show was kind of terrible). What you're describing is poetic justice, in the Shakespearian sense of the term.

I personally like to think that Pinkman immediately crashed his getaway car in a final act of comeuppance.

I kind of think Jesse paid his dues, with everything that had happened to him. And I'm not sure I do think he's a terrible person, more than an idiot who makes bad choices - I think the show went to great lengths to show that he wasn't a monster at all. I mean the worst thing he did was shoot Gale, but honestly, that was because of serious coercion and serious threat on his own life and Walter's, and other than dealing drugs I saw him as more of a massive fuck-up and loser than a bad guy. I think him getting a chance at freedom from it all, and hopefully redemption, was far more fitting than just killing him because.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with "poetic justice".

Poetic justice is the concept that what the characters do on the show is mirrored directly by the hand of fate that is dealt to them later.

Also, shooting Gale was not the worst thing Pinkman did on the show. He was as reactionary and vengeful as anyone else, only he had a few sticking points (e.g. not hurting kids).

You can essentially analyze Breaking Bad as an attempt at screenwriting in the style of the plays of ancient Greece; the conventions of those plays are present and highly visible. The sin of hubris, for example (which was often the downfall of a Grecian protagonist) is quite literally what costs Walt every piece of happiness he loses on the show.

So yes, thematically speaking the characters made their own fates and got exactly what was coming to them.

I know what poetic justice means, I just don't know what you were referring to. You seem to want "poetic justice" for Jesse, no? Me wanting Walt in prison isn't about poetic justice, it's that him dying was a predictable cop-out ending. I wanted him to have to face up to the consequences of his actions in a less dignified way, not because I wanted justice, but just because it would've been less predictable and show a harsher fate.

I disagree about Jesse. He was impulsive and a screw-up, but he never really wanted to hurt anyone (not only kids), except when he was out trying to get justice for whatever reason. And those reasons were usually very good reasons - get back at people who hurt kids and would continue to hurt kids, for example. On his mad vengeful streaks, his adversaries were hardly sympathetic. I'm honestly boggled at what else he did besides selling drugs in general that was so bad, besides killing Gale, and as I said, he was coerced with his life on the line so it's not like it was a cold blooded murder. I don't really think Jesse's sins went further than your average young burn-out loser - he was a dick (sometimes), impulsive, hot-tempered, naive, and easy for Walt to manipulate. I'm lost on how any of that makes him deserving of death though, especially when as the series progresses he frequently risks himself to be the hero.

I'm not sure about the Greek tragedy comparison? But characters "getting what's coming to them" doesn't always mean bad things. Jesse had major shit happening to him since the first season, and every season it got more severe. Him breaking free of that was far more a symbolic end than him taking a bullet ever would have been.

But, agree to disagree!

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