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I adore Beregond. I don't think Pippin knew it, but it was a truly terrible decision he was asking Beregond to make (not only to disobey his lord during a time of war, but to disobey his lord during an actual battle, fight his own people during an actual battle, and even kill his own in one of the most holy places in the city), and Beregond made it in no halfway fashion. That he got to go with Faramir afterwards, that Aragorn leavened the exile that way, made me very happy.

Regarding Kíli/Tauriel, I have to admit that I gave up on the Hobbit movies after DoS. Nothing to do with that pair, actually, I just thought the movies were a hot mess sprawling all over the storyline, and I didn't like what they did to either Thranduil, Legolas or Thorin much. However, what I saw of Kíli/Tauriel in DoS I didn't mind. I thought they were really cute, actually. It was Legolas I had major trouble with in relation to that relationship. The crude love triangle was a problem for me. On their own, I don't think I'd have minded Kíli/Tauriel, but in the middle of the rest of the mess, I just gave up on the movies.

I did quite like the Scouring of the Shire as well. It doesn't fit with how we think a story should go, a strange little skirmish after the climax has already happened, but I think it was right for them to realise that even the idyllic Shire had been affected by the war, and to have them have to clean up on their own terms. I liked that they'd changed enough to be able to preserve what they loved, as well as what everyone else did.

Theoden and Denethor ... I like them both, actually. Theoden I just admire, he came back from a terrible experience straight into the middle of open conflict, and he got his act together with all speed and grace. He's a bit rigid in places (Éowyn), but that's the culture he comes from, and he's just inherently a noble person.

Denethor is a slightly more complicated matter, but I think it's worth noting that we see him at literally the worst moments of his life, after he's been psychologically tortured by Sauron through the palantir for pretty much the entire war. By the time he loses the plot altogether at the end, (he thinks) he's lost both his sons, his city is in the middle of being overrun, and Sauron has battered his psyche down to nothing by showing him the worst of all possible outcomes. He goes mad, and he almost kills Faramir all over again in the midst of his suicide. But. But. Before that, he fought. He didn't give in to madness until the very end, and he didn't give in to Sauron at all. The sheer strength of will that must have taken ... Pippin barely survived one encounter with a palantir (though he also didn't give in), Saruman fell straight into Sauron's camp after his use of one, and even Aragorn only dared it sparingly. Denethor held out all that time. It drove him mad, it drove him to suicide at the worst possible time, it almost killed Faramir, but before that ... Denethor kept his city and his people armed and ready to fight, refusing to submit to Mordor, despite months of mental torture, the loss of Boromir's brightening influence, and the loss of Boromir himself. Faramir was just the last straw. I think the only other person we see show equal or better mental fortitude is Frodo himself. So ... I think I respect Denethor still. He wasn't a nice or sane man when we saw him, but given the circumstances I think that was understandable, and far greater creatures than he had cracked under less pressure. He fought as long as he could.

One of the things I am most fascinated with is Denethor and Thorongil - about Aragorn's time in Minas Tirith during Ecthelion's reign. I would've loved to see Denethor's reaction (if he'd survived) to finding out his old "nemesis" was now king. Or maybe he knew Thorongil was Isildur's heir way back when. I would've loved to see them interact back then.

I had never considered it, but I agree that Denethor does fight to the end. This makes everything sadder because he gives into despair at the very end and isn't given a redeeming moment like Boromir.

I agree about the Hobbit movies. It's good you stopped. I hated Legolas and Thranduil's characterizations so much, and Thorin's "gold-madness" instead of greed. After DoS, I was still willing to give Tauriel a shot but I ended up really disliking her and Kili after BoFA.

Beregond is AMAZING. I love that his son is equally loyal to Faramir, and they both stayed behind in the House of Healing to keep an eye on Faramir once he was getting better. I also adored that he got to stay by Faramir's side. I read an interesting headcanon about Beregond and Bergil's life in Ithilian - how Bergil's whole life is sort of flipped upside down. He's moving out of the city and his dad gets this huge promotion but some people might still be turned off that he killed the guy he did. I don't think Beregond would care though, not when he got to spend every day protecting Faramir. I just love that Faramir gets Eowyn, Legolas, and Beregond to hang out with in Ithilian, which is a place he clearly likes.

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