[ SECRET POST #385 ]

[degrees.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #385 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Last day to submit for next week!!

...holy crap #36, I love you XDDDD

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #055.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] repeats.
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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

13. wait what? whats so horrible about someone drawing a character as an animal? i think you're misjudging motives here... i mean, i've drawn a character or two as animals before, i thought it was fun. i see a bunch of people going "i saw someone draw ___ as animals and it was TERRIBLE!"

but.. i dont understand whats terrible? why does seeing it offend you? has the internet conditioned you to hate something that from an onlookers standpoint, is nothing more than "oh hey someone drew ___ as a kitty lol thats cute"

no seriously. im like thinking and thinking trying to find out what is so revulting about it. cant other people just have their fun? i have a feeling theyre not trying to say "hey this guy magically became an animal"... theyre just doing it just cus. like my sister, she tends to draw hamtaro styled characters because it's what she draws best. shes not saying "all character should look like hamtaro" shes saying "well i draw these guys best and i really like this character so im gonna mix them yay!"


tl;dr: I DONT GET IT. I'm not even a furry but I don't understand what is so DEEPLY OFFENDING about harmlessly drawing a character as an anthro. The only way I can imagine raging about seeing a furry is because that's what other people have FED to you about how you SHOULD feel.

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

i understand there IS that attitude a lot... (which i believe is the fault of both sides being retards) but why assume that's the artists attitude right away? maybe im just prone to giving the benefit of the doubt, but assuming an artists attitude based on a picture?

ah well. ya dont have to love it, i can understand that, but the revulsion is a bit confusing to me. unless its porn or something.

[electricalsun.livejournal.com]

Probably because it usually IS their attitude, 4 times out of 5? From what I've experienced anyway.

[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

The funny thing is, I was in the furry comm for awhile, way back in the day, and I never once encountered that attitude. I think it's a cycle-thing. People expect the attitude, so they get snotty, people get snotted on, people deliver the attitude, people expect the attitude, so they get snotty...

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

exactly my thoughts. it's like some kind of vicous cycle where everyone blames eachother for their actions D:

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

all of it though? i dunno. i mean SOME furry styles do kinda bug me (in an artistic sense) especially the more toony styles (a lot of those ones just look kinda wierd), but it certainly doesn't fill me with anger or want them to gtfo my fandom. that'd be like me telling every less-than-mediocre artist in my fandoms to gtfo till they can draw properly or something!

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have a problem with it, I just don't understand why people do it. It confuses me deeply, and that can sometimes piss me off if it's really mind boggling.

Look, it's Batman, only he's a lion!
And he's humping the Joker, who is a dingo!
Here are their butt baby pups, Chuckles and Barry, a cheetah and fox!

That kind of stuff...just...eh. I don't understand the thought process, especially if it's an older person drawing it.

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

if you dont understand it, why bother hating it? people draw crap like mpreg and inflation and stuff all the time. human porn can be just as messed up. i dont understand it personally, not at ALL. Am i going to tell people they should GTFO? NO.

[(Anonymous)]

I believe I said 'I don't have a problem with it'. I wasn't telling anyone to GTFO.

[boogiepop-nagi.livejournal.com]

"13. wait what? whats so horrible about someone drawing a character as an animal?"

If it were JUST drawing a character as an animal, it wouldn't be so bad. But you see, let me break it down for you...

Imagine Cloud Strife drawn as a horse. And he's fellating himself on his giant horsey sausage while Gordon Freeman of Half-Life fame (here depicted as a fox) drives his canine phallus forcefully into Cloud's rectum.

There's a fine line between idle anthropomorphism and outright furry. THAT is furry. It should be obvious precisely what would get Final Fantasy and Half Life fans up in arms about that little example, right?

I should hope so.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Oh, for God's sake. This ridiculous attitude towards furries is pissing me off.

You know what? Some people are absolutely disgusted by the idea of, say, Gordon Freeman and Cloud Strife banging as humans (nevermind animals), but if someone went "OMG YAOI FANS GTFO MY FANDOM" then everyone would go "you suck" and "LOL, troll" - but since it involves furries suddenly it's a PERSONAL OFFENSE towards anyone involved in fandom.

Nobody is forcing you to look at furry porn. Just accept that it exists and move on. You are not the ultimate arbiter of what porn other people are allowed to enjoy.

[boogiepop-nagi.livejournal.com]

"Nobody is forcing you to look at furry porn."

But you see, by my personal experience (and the experience of numerous others, hence the overwhelming resentment), furries just love to INTERJECT themselves where they're not wanted. I don't go out looking for furries, they reach out and post their dogman-on-dragonman man-preg artwork wherever they can, regardless of whether it was ever appropriate or not. If they DID just keep to themselves, there'd be a lot less hatred and a lot less discussion.

But they don't. They somehow expect that everyone on every website out there is just jonesing for manimal porn, and then get very vocally indignant when reality slaps them across the face.

"You are not the ultimate arbiter of what porn other people are allowed to enjoy."

Who said I was trying to command all porn everywhere ever? Who said I even gave a flip about porn? The trick is that furries love to POST THEIR PORN at every opportunity, regardless of whether anthropomorphism, porn, or anthropomorphic porn was ever appropriate for that site in the first place.

Repulsive imagery combines with an intrusive attitude to create a very obnoxious group of people. This, in turn, serves to create a very strong backlash against them. That's just how it is.

[boogiepop-nagi.livejournal.com]

Just...because I feel I need an example. Does a website for import cars, in the mind of any rational human being, provoke a need to post porn of any kind on its message boards? No. But lo and behold, along came a fur, and with him came his "lovely" artwork of dragonmen porking cars right in the tailpipe.

On a website that *should* be family friendly.

THIS is why so many people so vocally hate furries. This is how they behave towards the rest of the human race.

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

i assume its because a lot of them feel hated on. and end up doing stupid things like that. heck, everyone does stupid things. maybe some feel bitter and spiteful, maybe some are jsut idiots. they SHOULDNT do stupid crap like that, but they do, and like you as an example, garners more hate.

but hey, even other furries know a lot of them suck.

from my experience... wierd hobbies attract wierd people. not ALL of them are wierd, but a lot are.

for my own example: *points to icon* I like Kigurumi, anime character costumes. do i like porn of it? HECK no. but, being a strange hobby, it attracts strange people who DO like that sort of thing and have a fetish for it. but ya just deal with them and let them do their own thing, and hit the dumb ones on the head once in a while.

[blinkidybah.livejournal.com]

"manimal" omfg lols.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

In my experience, furry is often against ToS. If someone comes in and posts furry porn, report them instead of bitching. DeviantArt doesn't allow porn of any kind and Y!Gallery doesn't allow furry - I don't know about other major sites, but it seems to me that the furry community tend to stick to their own kind. I've only encountered furry porn a couple times at the Y!gallery and never on DA. Every time, they get banned. I don't think this furry asshattery is as common as you're making it seem.

I'd seriously hate to take the jackassery of a couple of people and apply it to all furries. That kind of sweeping generalization is dangerous in any form.

[momogirl12345.livejournal.com]

the term "furry" does NOT mean sexualized animals. Its a general term for anthropomorphic art, and those who draw it. I know, I've been around furries. Your definition is sort of...way off. WAY, way off.

[gr0tesque.livejournal.com]

^what they said.

not ALL furries like or draw artwork like that.

i consider myself a furry and my furry art is FAR from that.

[pimmy.livejournal.com]

so... porn? ok. ive seen people draw porn of series i like. ive seen futa and loli and inflation and tons of wierd crap being drawn about my favorite characters. i certainly dont LIKE porn of them, but does it ruin it for me? not one bit. does it make me angry? not really. what other people draw doesn't affect me and shouldnt.