fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #386 ]

⌈ Secret Post #386 ⌋

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Hi!

I don't hang around fandom much, and that is largely because I can't stand the way female characters are treated. When I see complete character bashing, which is almost always against a female love interest, I see red. Just... no.

When I was younger I was in the Gundam Wing fandom, which is infamous for the epic Relena bashing fics (there were a genre into themselves). I was all for it, but after I got out of the fandom I realized that I was freaking out over things about Relena ("OMG, she's CRAZY! She reads other people's MAIL! And the PINK!) that would not have fazed me if she were male. Now I find the Relena brand of batshit hilarious, and now that I don't feel the need to rant against any imperfection a female character might exhibit, I am a much happier fan.

One of the reasons Avatar is one of my favorite series is that I pretty much adore all of the characters to death. I wish there were girls like Toph, Ty Lee, Azula, Mai, and Katara when I was growing up. Some of them are villains, but all of them, to me, are awesome. But in the case of Suki... I dunno. She never clicked for me. While she definitely has a personality, it is more low-key compared to the other characters in Avatar. I definitely don't dislike her, but the show does slow down for me when she arrives. I wouldn't say that this is the character's fault, though, as inevitably it is the writers who are responsible. And who's to say they didn't intend to create a more stoic, serious character to prevent a potential "crack overload"?

TL;DR: I agree with you that Suki has personality, but I disagree with you that secret 45 is an example of double-standards in the fandom, as Suki's personality is fairly low-key compared to the other, male and female, characters in the show. Also, there was something about Gundam Wing, I dunno.

I don't think it applies necessarily in the case of Suki, although it still bothers me when male characters with the same sort of thing as her get loved on, but it isn't a thing you can judge on an individual basis.

And as crazy as the Gundam Wing fandom was, I find Mai getting the treatment in discussions that Relena used to get. (I mean I'm a Relena fan, and I can't tell you how much shit I got for that way back when). So that whole trend hasn't completely died yet, although hasn't got to the complete bashing fic stage. yet.

Right. When a character like Suki is considered boring and disliked for it, a girl who is low-key (I actually find her similar to Yue in that way, though of course they differ strongly in other areas) and is surrounded by the high-energy cast of Avatar... I don't think the go-to reason for that is likely to be sexism. Now, if the secret said "I don't like Suki because she is such a bitch who was mean to Sokka and everyone wants us to worship her and she can't even fight well and she is such a Mary Sue," then I'd be more suspicious.

I'm sorry to hear that about Mai! She had me since "Just take the bear". Well actually she had me much earlier, but that's the most defining moment I can think of. I'm sort of surprised too, as while I can see why people might dislike her, normally it's the more obviously feminine characters, like Katara, who get the brunt of fannish wrath.

I think with Mai, it is primarily the shipping thing. She is with Zuko thus a lot of people don't like that so they just get down on her in the worst sort of ways. Sort of making me want to leave the fandom. Had enough of it in GW, I don't have the tolerance for it in Avatar.

I never understood the "bash the girlfriend" thing. They're teenagers, and Mai and Zuko, for crying out loud. If you don't want them together, just break them up in your fic. You don't even have to make them OOC!

I was surprised when Mai's crush on Zuko was reciprocated, but I find them fun together. I love "I need to get this to my cranky girlfriend!"

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