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⌈ Secret Post #3108 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that Kate Bush is extremely rad. I also agree that some of her early work is unfortunate - but I don't know whether it's useful to call it 'cissexist'. And I also think, you know, that sort of thing was the style of the times, and while it was mistaken, I think it's fair to make allowances and to recognize that there were real reasons for taking those kinds of positions and that the situation has changed in relevant ways since then.

[(Anonymous)]

Lord love a duck. Must everything be viewed through the prism of today's sexual politics and then judged?

Don't like those songs because they don't fit your narrow worldview? Then quit listening to them. Simple. Or better yet learn to be more open and appreciative of other people's povs.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I do agree with you on the outcome, but I think there's something to be said for viewing things through the prism of today's sexual politics. In the sense that I think it's neither unavoidable or bad.

The key of course is to have a sense both of empathy & of historical realism - but I'm not sure how it's wrong to judge the work of, for instance, Oscar Wilde with our modern understanding of homosexuality in mind, on some level.

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da

Yeah, viewing works through modern lens and not liking it != cannot understand why they were written that way.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

This, so much.

[(Anonymous)]

The OP said they usually do skip them... so I don't see the hostility to them for expressing an opinion. Sheesh.

[(Anonymous)]

I love that I am not the only person who says, "Lord love a duck"!

[(Anonymous)]

Different anon.

Ditto!

[(Anonymous)]

Cissexist just because it's about motherhood and periods and stuff? I don't think that's necessarily cissexist - of course not all women have those experiences (including some cis women), but I'd assume the songs are sort of for the ones who do have them, and have been made to feel bad, like by guys who act like periods are gross or make the person having them crazy.

(and I'm saying this as a woman who doesn't even want kids, so the earth mother stuff isn't usually my thing)

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da

This. There are a lot of cis women out there who don't have periods and can't bear children, but I don't think the song is criticizing them. Just because a song doesn't apply to literally every woman on the planet doesn't mean it's cissexist

exactly

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a cis woman but due to my health had to stop periods (god bless the 28 day pill!) and won't be having bio-kids.
I find women talking about their period, their pregnancy and their birth experience and even their abortions powerful and touching not exclusionary!

We're being overly touchy about trans women's feelings for them.
Let's hear from THEM first, if a trans woman says "I don't like Kate Bush, it rubs me the wrong way" then you can worry about it being 'problematic'.

As long as an artist is not saying "no periods or barren = no woman" then let's just enjoy women (cis and trans) telling their stories without worrying about icking out a man, whether it's about periods or growing breasts (at whatever age) and the stretch marks to go with or the complexities of whether or not to shave your legs, bra wires sticking into you, finding that extremely difficult balance of wearing makeup without looking too overdone or too "tired", dealing with mansplaining , having some creep look you up and down in the elevator, sticky sweaty spanx and hose...

Kate Bush is for women, all women, she celebrates feminity and vunerability as strengths, she's sex positive and wants equality with her partner. A few personal songs about her own experience being pregnant or getting her period doesn't make her work anti-trans or anti-barren women!

Re: exactly

[(Anonymous)]

So what if it does bother the transwomen. If they can't handle the biological facts of having two x chromosomes, it's their problem. I'm not going to pretend that I've never had a period, faced getting pregnant or menopause because a man in a dress complains that it excludes him.

Re: exactly

[(Anonymous)]

0/10

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU. It drives me nuts when people insist that everyone should say (for example) "people with uteruses" instead of "women" when talking about health and reproduction, because to do otherwise is cissexist or transphobic. And calling those songs cissexist is along the same lines.