[ SECRET POST #3113 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3113 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's a little unfair to shows like The Flash. Like, it's a style that exists and has existed in a way that's distinct from Whedon, and reducing the whole genre of light adventure action to Whedon imitation does it disservice. It's okay not to like that genre but like... it's probably not just Joss Whedon, at this point.

[(Anonymous)]

Your reasonable words are wasted, nonny. Remember, you're talking to a dude who threw a hissy fit because someone dared to refer to DC movies as DC movies.

[dethtoll]

lol

[(Anonymous)]

hi dethtoll!

[dethtoll]

hi nonny

[(Anonymous)]

That's unfair to dethtoll, who's mostly a really cool, reasonable dude. With a few bugaboos.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, and he's made it pretty clear that anything remotely related to DC or Joss Whedon can be counted among those "bugaboos".

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes. That's certainly true.

[dethtoll]

well you're not wrong

[(Anonymous)]

I think that describes 99.99999% of us here. Including us anons. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, etc.

[dethtoll]

I don't know. I have a hard time telling the dialogue in many shows (not just the Flash) apart from Whedon's style -- snark and drama in place of character development, among other problems. It all sounds the same to me these days. Maybe I'm being unfair, maybe I'm not, but I can't watch most television anymore because of it. That and the fact that I hate television as a medium because it's so intrinsically structured around commercials.

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair enough, I just think it's a genre and a style that pretty much transcends Whedon

[(Anonymous)]

You..do know people were snarky before Joss Whedon made Buffy. Right? Like..that is a thing that has existed for a while.

[dethtoll]

No shit?

Of course I know that. But there's a very specific style Joss Whedon has, with an overreliance on one-liners and comic book-style dialogue to the point where most of the characters in a given show tend to sound alike, that I think has pervaded most fannish television.

In other words it's a matter of degrees and how much the show's dialogue is driven by it.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this is the Whedon quirk that bothers me most. How he'll be so pleased with a joke he wrote that he'll bend over backwards to get a character to say it, even if it's totally OOC for that character to say it. Who cares about characterization? Witty one-liners!!! He cares more about trying to show off how clever he is that he stops telling a good story, and it does sometimes feel like that philosophy to writing has seeped into everything.

[dethtoll]

Yes, this, exactly. Nail meet hammer.

[(Anonymous)]

working on a joke where joss whedon used his dark time magic to throw preston sturges back to the 1930s

but it's not really coming together

[(Anonymous)]

Literally no one has claimed Whedon invented snark or snarky dialogue. The problem isn't the snark, it's the style of writing. Whedon's snark all sounds the same regardless of what character is delivering the line. The humor is Whedon's, not the character. He cares more about delivering that clever punchline than he does about characterization, and not everyone likes that.

[(Anonymous)]

Netflix/Hulu/streaming stick. Watch what you want when you want, noooooooo more commercials.

[dethtoll]

Nah, nah, that's not it. The shows themselves were still written around commercials, whether those commercials are there or not. It destroys pacing to force a show to be within a ~40-minute time frame.

Daredevil and other Netflix originals are proof that television as a format can work -- no commercials forcing entire scenes to be shortened or broken up.

[(Anonymous)]

That and the fact that I hate television as a medium because it's so intrinsically structured around commercials.

Get into some non-commercial network stuff? Like from the Beeb?

I actually never watch commercials (gross yuck mental warfare) because I don't watch live to air commercial television. I often don't even notice where the commercials were supposed to be when watching torrents, but I guess I don't watch a lot of "commercial" telly.