[ SECRET POST #3116 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3116 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Fire Emblem: Fates]


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[Rebecca Black, Friday]


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Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/wyVy7qn.png
[Fire Emblem: Fates]

[(Anonymous)]

tbh, I wouldn't particularly care if not for the fact that they talked a big game when it was announced about how important they felt it was to provide options that reflected the diversity of their playerbase...before adding exactly one m/m and one f/f option, and making them the sadist and the yandere.

If they'd just said from the start "we're testing the waters, if this does well we may expand options in future games" I wouldn't give a damn, but if you're going to talk about the importance of ~diversity~ and then give nothing but two skeezy options (where there's already an unfortunte history of depraved bisexuals in entertainment media), then yeah, I'm going to roll my eyes. A lot.

[(Anonymous)]

true

[(Anonymous)]

tbh I think people are forgetting that how the Japanese view LGBTQ matters is vastly different from us here in the West (all of you who want a genderqueer Trainer option in Pokemon are going to be waiting for a long, long, long, long time, for example), so I'm not at all surprised they went the route they did in FE:F.

[(Anonymous)]

It's vastly different, and it's also wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Nobody here is arguing that Japanese attitudes toward gender and sexuality are better, they're just saying that given the actual facts in the real world, progress is going to be slow.

But of course, Millennials are known for saying "If I want bread, I will not accept half a loaf! Instead I will have a muffin made of broken glass."

[feotakahari]

If the choice is between no representation and painfully bad representation, wouldn't bad representation be the one filled with broken glass in this analogy?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm having have less and less respect for anyone not from Japan who bitches about entertainment made by Japanese people, meant for the Japanese market. It's almost as if... gasp... it's not designed for your Western sensibilities. Fancy that.

When the English language localization is out, if there are still issues, complain away. Until then, these kinds of complaints are coming across increasingly as entitled, culturally ignorant, and whiny.

[feotakahari]

First off, I'm not familiar with this game. All I'm going to talk about is the general case.

With that said, queer characters aren't representative of "culture." They're representative of queer people. If an American story stereotypes queer people, it would be silly to call on culture to justify it, because all the writer would have to do is talk to actual queer people to learn that they're not all walking stereotypes. Why would Japanese queer people be more stereotypical?

[ill_omened]

This ignores the extent to which being queer is defined by culture, and just how much sexuality is influenced by it. You don't even need to look as far back as the greeks to see what I mean.

[feotakahari]

But the Greeks, or at least certain Greeks, were actually having gay sex with each other. I can't claim to be an expert on gay people in Japan, but I don't think they were the ones who defined what stereotypes straight people associate with them.

[(Anonymous)]

But those particular character tropes are extremely popular in media aimed at straight people too. They're popular in general. Pick any m/f dating sim and I guarantee you there will be a yandere option and possibly a sadist option.

Japanese people like those tropes, so it's no surprise that they would want to pick popular character tropes to use as a measure of how much interest there would be in same-sex pairings.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is, they're an option. If you want same-sex, it's yandere/sadist or nothing. Which is what a lot of us don't like.

Especially when they have a canonically bisexual character who admits romantic interest in both sexes who inexplicably has no same-sex romantic support.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck your cultural relativism.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, first, many of these games are not just for the Japanese market. Nintendo especially is kind a big deal around the world, and they are actually somewhat interested in maintaining that global market.

And second, guess what, they have gay gamers in Japan. The have straight people in Japan who might enjoy gay pairings. (yaoi/yuri is actually a good market there) LGBT people and interest exists outside of "Western sensibilities".

[(Anonymous)]

shut up and stop complaining, gay people! this game is japanese!

this is like listening to the tomodachi life bullshit all over again

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a bit weird that she just happens to be his daughter and he's voiced by Koyasu, because of course, but that's about it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm Third Pathing on my Hoshino game for Zero. Fuck that extra difficulty!

[(Anonymous)]

Meanwhile I don' want to be followed around by a stalker as my only option to marry another woman.