[ SECRET POST #3116 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3116 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So, you take the word of ONE man over the word of 30-40 women?

Well aren't you awful.

[(Anonymous)]

Your adorably fascist contempt for due process aside, there WASN"T the word of 30-40 women until quite recently. Sometimes people change their opinion as more information comes in. But I suppose you have contempt for that as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Can you get it through your skull that no one here is talking about any process that would send Cosby to jail or punish him in any way?

We are talking about the standards for a reasonable person to conclude that Cosby is a rapist - not the standards to convict and punish him for rape.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The public/Internet lynching seems to be viewed as A-OK, however. I think that's what AYRT is saying is wrong, and I kind of agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Then they should:

1) Stop talking about it in terms of legal due process
2) Not use the word 'lynching' because it's both offensive and stupid
3) Find a way to distinguish between individuals deciding that the balance of available evidence suggests that Bill Cosby raped a bunch of women, and this rush to judgment which apparently occurs

[(Anonymous)]

My Problem is "balance of available evidence" is not what we have. We have "balance of evidence presented to us by people who have no obligation, interest or in some cases means to present everything from both sides." That's why people use the legal terminology, and that's why people use the legal system to determine guilt, because it is the best system we have to incorporate all of the above.

I personally can't imagine any evidence that could exist that would clear him, but my imagination should not be the measure of how much we ruin someone's life, and I blame no-one for wanting a more controlled presentation of evidence before making their mind up.

And what's more if I had required more a more controlled presentation of evidence before making my mind up, and people responded by 'calling me out' and demanding that I fall in line with their thinking on the matter, and spreading massive amounts of hate about me, I would consider it my responsibility to hold my ground.

[(Anonymous)]

We live in a complex world in which we must make our judgments as best we can, and in which there's no perfect system to determine the truth. That's not only the situation in which we find ourselves in practical terms, but our responsibility as thinking, reasoning, moral beings. The idea that we can't make moral judgments of things outside the law, or whatever the fuck, seems to me completely unfounded and divorced from any kind of practical reality of everyday life. And it is simply a fact that the legal system, first, is designed around a specific purpose which is not determining the facts or the moral side of a situation, and second, that it is deeply imperfect in a way that needs to be faced up to.

Of course the sphere of public opinion always has its ridiculous moments. And of course if you think there's not enough evidence you should say so. I think the suggestion that there is not enough evidence in this instance is ridiculous and untenable, and I think Cosby has had several opportunities to present his side of the story and it's just not true that the evidence that's present is solely one-sided, but these are arguments that you can make whether or not I think they're wrong. But it is my conviction that they're wrong, and that's just kind of how it is.

[(Anonymous)]

we must make our judgments

No, we mustn't. Saying "I withhold judgement until a greater standard is met" is (Or at least should be) a perfectly acceptable option. But this get's you judged as being on whichever side has the least supporters

I think Cosby has had several opportunities to present his side of the story

And that's just it. Apparently he has presented it. I never heard that. Even the anon above who told me he had already argued publicly for his innocence did not tell me what he said, just that it was obviously bullshit. When TCoPO give this loud a voice to his defence that so many people have not heard it, do you wonder why somone like Whoopi might not be inclinded to use it to make her judgemnet?

but these are arguments that you can make whether or not I think they're wrong.

not according to people saying she is a 'Vile vile woman' She can be wrong in your and my eyes and that's fine. But that is not the extend of what is happening here.

[(Anonymous)]

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I'm reminded of the Duke Lacrosse Team case. The standards for a reasonable person to conclude they were guilty were met. Lives were ruined.

Standards are higher in the real courts for a reason. Then need to be higher in the court of public opinion too because the damage for a wrong decision in either direction are just as devastating.

I believe based on the evidence I have he is guilty, but I can never be sure, when the people presenting the evidence are the media and not someone with a legal obligation to present things correctly to a set standard like a lawyer, that I have all of the evidence in context.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with the Duke lacrosse team was an overzealous persecutor charging them based on shitty evidence - in other words, that's an example within the legal system.

Perhaps the standards should be higher than they are, and it is of course always wise to keep in mind the possibility that one might be wrong. But it is difficult for me to see how this specific instance is one where the worry about standards is relevant, because I think the evidence in this instance surpasses more or less any reasonable expectation.

[(Anonymous)]

Who's evidence, tho? The standards of evidence is not what I'm questioning, it's the standards of the presentation. I have heard no counterpoint other than people saying "He's guilty" "I can't say for certain he's guilty" "Shut up rape apolgist, agree or you're a bad person"

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, and WRT the dukes team, the prooblem wasn't the really evidence, the problem was that the evidence was taken at a high enough standard because there was no-one in TCoPO arguing against it. It was highenough to convince people because we did not have an significant voice scrutinizing it until it went to court.

[(Anonymous)]

Quite recently?
Women have been talking about their abuse by Cosby since the beginning of the year, genius.
Ugh, I hope none of your friends or family are rape victims. I'd hate to see how you react if they ever opened up to someone like you.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. Cosby raping women has actually been an "open secret" in Hollywood for years. It's just that until quite recently, none of it was taken seriously by the public.

There was a joke on 30 rock about it years ago, and I even remember hearing rumors years before 30 rock. For whatever reason though this stuff used to be able to be swept under the rug for a disturbing amount of time.