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⌈ Secret Post #3118 ⌋

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Comments

[herpymcderp]

The thing everyone is forgetting is that before it was revealed that the Nazis were doing horrible war crimes, everyone was supporting them. People in the USA were supporting them. People in Britain were supporting them.

It wasn't until reports started coming out of Germany that people were like "oh shit". For a time it genuinely seemed as though they were a very progressive, extremely efficient and popular political party.

[(Anonymous)]

THANK YOU.

Newsflash: Eugenics was a big thing in the 20s and 30s. If you were any 'intellectual' or 'well-read' person worth your salt, you were into the idea of white supremacy. "Closer to the angels than the fallen ape" and all that. It was popular in the UK, US and Australia.

It only died down once the war crimes of the Nazis were revealed.

(And even then, you could make arguments that as an ideology it's still alive and well, just under different names.)

[(Anonymous)]

THIS THIS THIS. FFS, there were EUGENICS BOARDS in Canada that were still implementing Hitler's policies on the disabled (and the non-disabled who were miscategorized as disabled) in the 1980s.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy crap, I did not know that about Canada.

Considering I'm Australian, and we didn't give Indigenous Australians the vote until the 70s, I shouldn't be surprised, but damn...

[herpymcderp]

Yep. We really don't have much of a high horse, considering.

[(Anonymous)]

Well on some types of mental illness, like Downs or Autism and Autism-type ilnesses, it might not be a bad thing. We could do with sterilizing them again to keep those diseases out of the gene pool. It would certainly end, within a generation, the pernicious meme of the "superior" non-neurotypical. Anything that cures that vocal delusion would be applauded.

[(Anonymous)]

JFC. Shut the fuck up.

[(Anonymous)]

hmmm I'm gonna disagree a bit

while ´33 was far from being the worst nazi year, a lot of people knew they were shady.... they just didn't know the extent of the shadiness
in ´33 nazis were already committing violent acts in public, and a lot of shit started going down

point is, by the time the pic was taken, hitler was already bad news, but he did have some support in Britain

[herpymcderp]

That's fine to say, but what was actually happening was down to rumour and speculation. To put it in today's terms, you don't watch a single video of police brutality in Florida and assume that the US government itself is enforcing widespread genocide.

That's pretty much the extent of what was "known" in 1933.

Hell, in 1933 Henry Ford had a better idea of what was really going on than probably anyone else in the world outside of Germany, but you don't see people boycotting trucks and gossip rags posting pics.

[(Anonymous)]

Add to the fact that there was no Internet (and therefore no Twitter, Facebook, etc.,), to instantly spread it far and wide into the world (unlike today), ergo, people in 1933 didn't know a whole lot vs what people in 1943 knew.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not an expert in that time period, but the footage was in 1933 right? As I understand, at that time, no one knew just how crazy the Nazis were. It's not like the seven year old Elizabeth was like "yeah, genocide!" or something ridiculous like that.

[herpymcderp]

Yeah, more or less. Some rumours were coming out of Germany at the time, but as with any dictatorship information was pretty tightly controlled.

At least, this is according to what I know of the history of Britain at the time.

[(Anonymous)]

- 'everyone was supporting them'
- 'it genuinely seemed as though they were a very progressive, extremely efficient and popular political party'

this is the most egregious piece of undiluted bs ever posted on f!s

either you're being totally disingenuous or i fear for your sanity, seriously.
whatever the reason -- go read some books about the rise of the nazi party and have the grace to shut up about things you know absolutely nothing about

[(Anonymous)]

someone can't read, cherry-picker

[(Anonymous)]

cherry-picker? lmao
if anything, it's even worse quoted in full --

"The thing everyone is forgetting is that before it was revealed that the Nazis were doing horrible war crimes, everyone was supporting them. People in the USA were supporting them. People in Britain were supporting them.

It wasn't until reports started coming out of Germany that people were like "oh shit". For a time it genuinely seemed as though they were a very progressive, extremely efficient and popular political party."

you can't win this one, ever -- the nazis were so up front about their goals even from the very beginning, and most decent people loathed them.
that's simply the truth, backed up by mountains of evidence

herpy just needs to shut up

[(Anonymous)]

da

Well... you're factually incorrect. Average people didn't know the extent of what the Nazis were doing and planning on doing. Most people didn't know that shit until we had people in the concentration camps, trying to save prisoners. In 1933, people knew that Germany was getting itself back together, and though the Nazis were shady, the average person did not know just how crazy the regime was.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not really true. No one knew the Nazis were the Nazis, in terms of concentration camps. Even if they said some fucked-up horrible things, I think it was reasonably easy for people to discount those things, to view that as simply the kinds of things that parties out of power say and to assume that once in power they would act more rationally. It was easy to assume that the anti-Semitism was simply some sort of reflexive prejudice. And that was in some ways not an entirely unreasonable assumption (in the sense, I mean, that people usually don't mean what they say, and that the Nazis were in many ways a profoundly new phenomenon in politics with which it was hard to come to grips; not that supporting the Nazis or their anti-Semitism was in any way justified).

What people did know, pretty well, was the political position of the Nazis. People knew that they were a radical right-wing political party, that they were German nationalists, that they were anti-democratic and anti-liberal, that they were extremists. And so most of the opposition and the support for them, certainly in 1933, was on that ground. People who were left-wing opposed them virulently; people who were right-wing were more likely to understand where they were coming from, or to regard them at worst as useful allies in the struggle against Communism. Which is probably the relevant context for this picture, nobility in England being what it is politically.

Of course we should always mock the Daily Mail etc for supporting the Nazis in the 1930s, because it is ridiculous, and because fuck the Daily Mail. But the idea that supporting the Nazis then meant what supporting the Nazis now means is simply historically wrong. To support the Nazis was radical and right-wing, but it was not support of the violent extermination of Jews and other undesirables, or the conquest of Europe by Germany, or any of that sort of thing.

[herpymcderp]

No, you need to learn some history.

And you also really need to get over your hateboner for me.

[(Anonymous)]

hi dethtoll

[(Anonymous)]

Very few people went "oh shit" about the Nazis eugenics policies and war crimes, the reason for the "oh shit" was the Japanese version. And it wasn't about the way the Japanese treated the Chinese either. Nazi Germany got hit with the "oh shit" stick so as to set the precedent without directly acknowledging the Japanese crimes against the whites in East Asia and Australasia, because no one wanted to admit the Japanese had busted the myth of inherent white superiority or draw attention to it.

[herpymcderp]

No, they did, albeit later. This is just nitpicky really.