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If a cure was found for kids in-utero then it changes from helping a deaf person navigate a mostly hearing world, to essentially deliberately deafening a child so the parents feel more a connection with them. It makes the parents have a closer connection, but it means the kid is going to go through a lot of hell and isolation they wouldn't need to. That is just cruel. That is how I see it.

Yeah, I actually agree with that (and thank you for wording it so much better than AIRT.) I'm mostly just reminded of an apocryphal story I heard years ago where a deaf woman gave birth to a hearing baby and stuck pencils in her baby's ears to make it deaf. I'm not sure the story is true, but I know a lot of deaf people who think it's okay and I wish I didn't.

Wow. I really hope that is just an urban legend (to Snopes!), but that people actually think it would be cool if it happened is scary.

Yeah, that's the problem with the deaf community. What started off as a need for solidarity in the face of discrimination has now become a very insular group that just as easily tears down its members as it fights against ableism that isn't always there.

It is scary to think you might no longer be needed, but then you have to take a step back and remember why you were needed in the first place. Not just for deaf support groups, but for a great many groups, do you learn to let go and move on or do you perpetuate the same status quo that you formed to help cope with, just to avoid that fear of change? For some people that means also going from being a big noise in a small pond to just another fish like everyone else on the reef. It can be a real loss of status too.

It just amazes me how cruel some deaf are to hard of hearing people. Like if you wear a hearing aid you're somehow not "really" deaf.

turn off that bullshit

Oh, the Total Silence guys? The ones that say that anything except complete acceptance of deafness is allowed, and you shouldn't try to hear because that is not your world and you are a deaf-traitor if you try? Those guys are assholes.

I think the fact that they actually have a NAME just makes me hate them even more.

....I personally think (I may be wrong) the residential schools played a big part in the psychological...issues...Deaf people have, IMO. After all, look at the results the residential schools had on the (undisabled) First Nations kids; there are/have been documented intergenerational effects (i.e., the kids of the kids who went to residential school but never went themselves, are affected). Especially Deaf children who were forced to be oral, but then not really given the proper tools to be able to function in society, and still isolated from wider society, after they got out of the schools.

holy fucking fuck

fuck

AYRT

That "hell and isolation" (it's really really not, trust me) can be fixed, by fixing societal attitudes towards the D/deaf, IMO. But that's too much to ask, let's stick cochlear implants in their ears that will give them robot hearing instead! (Just frex.) So that's the Deaf community's position on it.

OTOH, if the parents are hearing and want to mainstream their kid, raise their kid auditory-verbal (hello, this would be me), I can tell you with absolute certainty, that it was/is not my deafness that has irritated me/stopped me from doing anything in this life; it has been societal attitudes towards my being deaf (as opposed to seeing me as a person first and foremost) that has caused me the most irritation.

Example, "My brother had an operation and he was completely cured and didn't need hearing aids anymore! You should get the same operation!" Cue ten minutes of back-and-forthing, and this idiot's refusal to understand I AM NOT LIKE YOUR BROTHER, and you have a typical example from my life. The mouthbreather was absolutely too stupid to comprehend any kind of explanation, and I was never going to see him again, anyway; but it wasn't my being deaf that was the barrier in that example, it was the other person's attitude towards my being deaf.

Yeah, I get that it's nuanced. And I mostly support auditory-verbal therapy, and I know that, even if I lose what's left of my residual hearing, I'll never be a member of the Deaf community, even though I'm deaf. I still don't think it's right to make a decision for an unborn child, either way (that's the key phrase right there) as to whether they will be Deaf or hearing. That's getting into "designer baby" territory like whoa. From both sides.

I was like you - mainstreamed in the late 1970s onward. It was apparently the "standard" of that era, though I am given to understand that since the late 1980s/early 1990s it has been more common to not push mainstreaming as hard.

For me though it was absolutely vital, I think. Being able to function auditory-verbal allows me to communicate in ways that are utterly blocked to me on occasions when I can't do that (for example in loud multiple conversations, I'm stuck and sometimes have to shut off my hearing aids).

But yeah, I've had people be total dicks to me back in my school years over having HAs; since going to university it hasn't been as much of an issue though.

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