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⌈ Secret Post #3131 ⌋

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[Vic Fontaine/the EMH, Star Trek DS9/Voyager]

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[The 100]

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[No. 6]

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06. http://i.imgur.com/TyMQsJn.png
[linked for gore]

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07. [SPOILERS for Hannibal]

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08. [SPOILERS for Mad Max: Fury Road]

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09. [SPOILERS for Deus Ex: Human Revolution]

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10. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 4]

11. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 4]

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12. [SPOILERS for Persona 3]
[WARNING for suicide]

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13. [WARNING for rl animal death]

[CATS!]

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14. [WARNING for rape]

[Once Upon a Time]

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I'm not a huge shipper (I have maybe one for every show I like? and rarely is it something I'm wild about--I find lots of ships interesting, but I really only care about pairings that remind me of my OC ships, these days).

It's obviously not something I can prove to you, but I just really don't think people would give so much of a shit about this pairing if either Will or Hannibal were ugly. I think they pride themselves on liking the twisted-ness of it, but I'd be very curious to see how many of them would stick around if the pairing were truly grotesque.

I just really don't think people would give so much of a shit about this pairing if either Will or Hannibal were ugly

Well yeah, I mean the characters' looks are either going to promote shipping (if they're gorgeous), or be a damper (if they're not). Hence why I said that looks are a factor. But attractiveness is not what starts the fire or what keeps it going; it's more like the dryness of the wood you're burning.

People still shipped Scorpius/John in the Farscape fandom, for example, and Scorpius is ugly af. Or what about all the people who ship Snape/whoever? Lol, no points for looks there.

I and many others shipped Grissom/Sara on CSI, and neither one of those characters was more than alright looking. I was also in good company when I shipped House/Cuddy, and Hugh Laurie barely even meets the passably decent looking bar.

Hell, objectively I've gotta say that neither Benedict Cumberbatch nor Martin Freeman are particularly great looking, but Johnlock? HELL. YES.

I'm not really sure Michael Rosenbaum was particularly attractive without hair, but I thought Clark/Lex on Smallville was super appealing.

Oh, and what about Adama/Roslyn? Not a pretty dude, is Eddie Olmos.

I think they pride themselves on liking the twisted-ness of it, but I'd be very curious to see how many of them would stick around if the pairing were truly grotesque.

I agree that Hannibal/Will probably wouldn't have been as popular if the characters were ugly. But I suspect plenty of people would still ship it, because at the core shipping is almost always about the relationship between the characters.

If people shipped pairings because of how good looking the characters are, MCU Natasha/Steve would be more popular than Natasha/Clint, instead of five times LESS popular. Based on attractiveness, pairings like Clark/Lana (Smallville) and Serena/Nate (Gossip Girl) would dominate fandom.

So I guess we'll have to disagree on this one.

I don't know the actors in many of the other things you mentioned, but Alan Rickman, Benedict, Martin Freeman, and Hugh Laurie are all considered really attractive from what I've seen.

I feel you're putting the horse before the cart here: they're considered attractive because people shipping them, not the other way around. Apparently you are a sometimes-shipper yourself, so I'd think you would know this, but shipping characters is kind of like being in love with them. You find them irrationally attractive, whether they're good people or bad people, objectively gorgeous or objectively ugly. It's probably a brain chemistry thing.

I mean, my point basically makes itself: have you actually seen Hugh Laurie?! Or Alan Rickman!? Why do you think so many fans consider them attractive? It certainly isn't for their physical appearance!

I find both of them incredibly attractive (Rickman looks awful as Snape, though) and I'm not a fan of either of those characters.

I think it's a bit disingenuous to use a lot of other ships from other fandoms as evidence against what I'm saying. In those pairings, one half of the ship isn't murdering people and feeding them to the other. With Hannibal, the show itself is designed to be beautiful in all respects despite its very disgusting content.

Rickman looks awful as Snape, though

Which is who we're talking about here. Snape.

I just get the impression you don't really understand shipping, at least not hardcore shipping, and it bothers me to see it reduced and trivialized down to "because hot dudes," because that's just not accurate. Not even in the case of Hannibal and Will.

And if that's going to be your strategy, then I find it a bit disingenuous that you acknowledge only the parts of my argument that you feel you can easily dismiss while ignoring the other parts and claiming my argument insufficient. Only one of us is giving actual examples here. Only one of us is bringing more than our subjective opinions to the table.

You're not bringing hard evidence to the table, though. The only way you could disprove what I'm saying is if you could travel to a different universe where one of these actors is ugly. Which is why I'm not that invested in the argument-- I never said this was anything but my subjective opinion.

I am not trying to disprove that people ship things for reasons other than a character's hotness, for fuck's sake. I'm just saying that, in this particular fandom, I think most people ship Will/Graham because both of those actors are insanely attractive and their relationship is lensed to be gorgeous. I think a large portion of shipping-- especially straight women ship m/m things--is because of their own sexual attraction to both parties and there's nothing wrong with that. But I never said it was the only reason.

because both of those actors are insanely attractive

Lol. Not only do I disagree with you about how big of a factor looks are in this ship, I hella disagree with you about Mads. I'm just not into that scary ass mofo look, I guess.

Just to clarify, we are still talking about characters' looks, rather than their attractiveness, yes?

Because if your argument is actually that people ship characters because they're attractive, then I'd be disinclined to argue with you. Attractiveness is so much more complex and so much more subjective than looks, and far too hard to quantify for me to argue for or against people choosing their ships by it.

I think sexual attraction plays a huge role in many ships, yes. I'm not saying it's THE qualifier for every person and every ship. But I do think most people who are into a ship like Hannibal/Will are into it because they're hot--otherwise, unless you have some very fucked up inclinations, that ship, what with all the people-eating and murder, is not sexually appealing.

I think sexual attraction plays a huge role in many ships, yes.

Well yeah. Not going to argue with you there. Though I think the sexual attraction of shipping is often a lot more complex than "Fan is attracted to character." More like, "Fan imagines what Character A's attraction to Character B feels like. Fan imagines what Character B's attraction to Character A feels like. Fan implodes from internalized attraction loop."

unless you have some very fucked up inclinations, that ship, what with all the people-eating and murder, is not sexually appealing.

I find this ship pretty fucked up myself, but I believe I understand it's appeal. It's about the fact that Will is like Hannibal's antiparticle. Hannibal has a complete lack of empathy, while we are told from the beginning that Will is the opposite; he has what the show calls "perfect empathy." Hannibal is immediately drawn to Will - becomes intent, almost fixated on corrupting Will - because Will is Hannibal's opposite (and you know what they say about opposites, lol). But fragile, reclusive little Will, who suffers so beautifully and wants to do nothing but good with his life, turns out to be a lot stronger and more flexible than Hannibal expects. And, depending on how the series plays out, they each may very well end up being the defining force of the other's life: Hannibal ruins Will from the inside outwards, while Will imprisons Hannibal - outside inwards.

I like their dynamic a lot, and I like the way that it mirrors romance, is kind of the antiparticle of romance. They're like some macabre Rorschach image, and there's a real magnetism in that dynamic. For some people, that magnetism trumps the part where Hannibal's a people-eating psychopath.

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