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http://www.universetoday.com/121686/kirk-spock-and-sulu-boldly-go-where-no-man-has-gone-before-charon/

Poor Chekhov gets left off of Vulcan Planum, proposed mountains for Arthur C. Clarke, Stanley Kubrick, and Octavia Butler, and canyons named after the Serenity, Nostromo, Argo, and Marcoss. The Skywalkers get their own dysfunctional family cluster of craters.

Yeah i saw this a few days back, its amazing. I think there's a Gallifrey region, too.

There's already a Chekov crater on Mercury. (Named for the writer, apparently, but spelled like the Trek character.)

while I hate some of these fandoms and the curmudgeon in me rolls its eyes at Gallifrey crater or whatever it is...

The planets first known to the ancients were named after their own gods - at the time, these weren't ancient mythological names, they were their contemporary fictions and tales. Those gods were present to them at the time. So it is entirely appropos to name astronomical features we're discovering in the modern age after modern fictions and tales present in our own time. I'm all for it.

Listen, I'm sorry, but there's a qualitative difference between mythology and folklore on the one hand, and modern popular culture on the other. It's misleading and facile to equate them as "contemporary stories people tell".

While I agree somewhat, we also live in a different world. Just by virtue of the speed of information and data, our contemporary stories have a far shorter shelf-life than in the time one believed (or at least actively told) myth. So, you might as well take something from popular culture.

I guess my counterargument would be that I don't think the first one follows from the second. I think it's true what you say about the difference, but I don't see that as in itself a reason to take names from popular culture.

I think some of it does. I think a lot of fantastical stories (so especially sci-fi and superhero stuff) is basically telling the stories of "demigods" under another guise.

But even if it wasn't...then the question would be, what does one name the regions?

I mean you could go for writers, or scientists etc...but they could be pretty irrelevant 100 years from now, too.

But I think - and I'm sure this is somehow deeply problematic but fuck it I don't give a shit - but I think there's something on a basic level more meaningful appropriate about naming it after people we think are worthy of commemoration, rather than after pop cultural characters. There's just, to me, a fundamental separation there. Whether or not they're irrelevant 100 years from now, I think that is a better marker for whatever values one wants to project, and more meaningful in the present moment.

Fair enough! While I think the fandom names are cool, I can totally understand the argument for not doing it. IIRC it hasn't been officially approved anyway.

The naming schemes for Pluto are:

1. Historic space missions and space craft
2. Scientists and engineers
3. Explorers
4. Underworld beings
5. Underworld places
6. Underworld travelers.

Guys, we found the lit snob.

No, I'm not objecting because of the characters chosen, I just think they should be named after real people and not characters from popular (or non-popular) culture.

Too late. Titan already has features named after places in The Lord of the Rings and Dune. Has for a while.

There is a real Mount Doom, and it's on Titan.

and i think that's stupid right now

I think it's really funny right now.

The list of named mountains on Titan given on Wikipedia seem to all be Middle Earth names - Angmar, Dolmed, Mount Doom, Echoriath, Erebor, Gram, Irensaga, Merlock, Mindolluin, Misty Mountains, Mithrim, Rerir and Taniquetil (which I really hope is the tallest).

You are being really, really white right now.

...no Mare Styx? I'm out.

Styx is the name of another moon in the system.

Whoo! Macross!

These are informal, though, like "Xena" and "Gabrielle" for what were later named "Eris" and "Dysnomia."

The IAU already approved the categories of fictional explorer and fictional ships, and participated in the call for nominations. So the IAU probably would only reject a proposal on these maps if there's a potential naming conflict (as happened with Vulcan/Vulcanoid and Cerberos/Kerberos).

Edited 2015-08-04 03:06 (UTC)

Oh, cool!

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