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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-15 03:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #3146 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3146 ⌋

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Transcript by OP

[personal profile] fscom 2015-08-15 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Dear fandom "friend",

Don't you dare whine to me about how much pressure writers are under to include POCs in their fanfic whenI know for a fact that ALL your fics have only white main characters and the only POC is a racial stereotype. You don't have to write POCs at all if you don't want to. Lots of people do this without being tarred and feathered by SJWs, or whatever you think will happen. But either way, give it a rest already. You're not even on Tumblr and you're being a ridiculous crybaby over nothing.
Edited 2015-08-15 19:57 (UTC)

Re: Transcript by OP

(Anonymous) 2015-08-15 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I know plenty of people who would like to be inclusive of characters of color but who won't write them because that whole areas is a minefield. Yet simply by not writing coCs, there are people who will consider them racist. That really sucks.

I believe in inclusivity and in promoting awareness of systemic and internalized biased. I think those biases are unfair and frequently harmful, and I will be very happy to see more PoCs and other marginalized groups represented in popular media in the future. But I also believe that creators, as individuals, don't have a responsibility to shape their stories for the sake of inclusivity. If the story you have in your head has four white, straight, able-bodied male leads at its center, that does not, in and of itself, make your story sexist, racist, homophobic, ablist, cissexist or any other -ist you can think of. And as a creator, you shouldn't have to worry about being branded as any one of those thing simply because you didn't go out of your way to make sure your story accommodates people's social justice agendas. (Now if your story is overtly racist, that's another matter, but that's not what we're talking about here.)

Furthermore, fandom's outlooks can be a bit unbalanced and weird. For example, it's okay to write about a terribly thing like underage rape as if it were sexy, but it's not okay to write about a CoC unless you represent them with perfect accuracy and cultural sensitivity. Because accidentally misrepresenting a CoC with one minor reference to a cultural stereotype is gross and harmful, but deliberately misrepresenting rape with a long, graphic depiction of how "hot" it is is...subversive and empowering???

Which is all to say that I get why someone might be annoyed enough to whine about the aggressive and intimidating behaviors and attitudes of the more militant SJWs. In the name of everyone's right to be heard and respected (a great cause), they end up curbing or downright quashing a lot of important voices and conversations.

Re: Transcript by OP

(Anonymous) 2015-08-16 12:22 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

Re: Transcript by OP

(Anonymous) 2015-08-16 02:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I generally agree but you didn't go out of your way to make sure your story accommodates people's social justice agendas ...well sure, but if you're not generally sexist, racist, etc, you're most likely going to organically be inclusive, and unlikely to have four apex privilege type main characters "just because", it doesn't have to be a self-conscious "accommodation" thing. Sometimes people are trying clumsily to point it out, but are really talking more about the forest than the trees. I agree though that crying "racist!" against an individual can be used by some as a weapon sometimes more than a well-founded belief, and that is not helping anyone.

Re: Transcript by OP

(Anonymous) 2015-08-16 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
SA ...woah late night word salad sorry