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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-16 03:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #3147 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3147 ⌋

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Re: Callout Lists

(Anonymous) 2015-08-17 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
Callout lists - haven't heard of that, I think that is creepy.

This doesn't originate with tumblr though, it's something that happens wherever there's a strong ideology and a hothouse environment.

I've been called out irl years and years ago in a university feminist activist environment, called racist for something that was frankly ridiculous. I did so much soul searching about whether I was racist, and ended up learning a lot about racism and ways I was ignorant as a white person. I can still say that that calling out was more about a mob mentality than anything sincere. That whole situation I was involved in was a complete traumatic clusterfuck and there were lots of feminists "called out", one ended up being surrounded by other women and yelled at and had pizza thrown at her and had told it was a "public shaming". More than one person later called the situation reminiscent of The Crucible.

I am very much a strong believer in social justice movements, and I get very uncomfortable when people point to excesses and use them to say "x movement is invalid!", but yeah, humans love to use ideology in ways that devolve into good vs evil, us vs them, and react in extreme ways that lose sight of the original issues.
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Re: Callout Lists

[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-08-17 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
That's a really good insight, and true.

I had a similar experience once - relatively new to the internet, grew up in a fairly sheltered environment, and said something really ignorant that was (rightfully) called homophobic. Only instead of just pointing it out I got totally dogpiled. I tried to defend myself and shoved my foot in it even harder, because again, ignorant. And the responses got worse and worse.

I have since learned a lot and would never again say the thing I said, but I don't think that particular experience was particularly useful, and in hindsight, even though I understand that they were frustrated, I don't think their response was really good for anyone except maybe them venting off steam. In hindsight it was pretty obvious that I was a sheltered idiot, not anyone with actual bad intent towards anybody, and it should have been obvious to others as well. (Also, this was on a comm that I later found out has a reputation for being kinda wanky.)

Fortunately the incident ended there.