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Is anybody else made incredibly uncomfortable with these. I've looked at some and often the 'sources' aren't exactly saying what the person claims. I just feel like this is going to build up to something awful happening to someone, just for saying or drawing something a person didn't like.

Callout Culture is getting kinda creepy. How long is it until someone is roasted by tumblr for something "awful" that's a total lie? I don't underestimate the internet being able to ruin someone's life.

(and honestly I don't trust the people who try to argue that this shit is still okay. I feel like they're just excusing their desire to make people hate someone they disagree with or don't like. It's getting out of control, you can't deny that.)

Definitely. It's part of reason I don't post my art on tumblr or have much of a presence there beyond reblogs.

It's like the worst combo of chain mail and emotional manipulation.

How long? It has already happened. Xkit guy was chased off of Tumblr because some blog was like, "This guy exists. Has anyone ever had him do anything to them? We have not heard anything bad about him BUT HE MUST HAVE RAPED SOMEONE!" So, people started saying he was a rapist. And he left.

Or John Green was recently called a pedophile because he *gasp* wrote books that young adults (mainly girls) read.

Calling out and doxxing is such bullshit.

Edited 2015-08-16 21:12 (UTC)

Oh wow. That's...wow...pretty awful. What's wrong with some people?

Anonymity combined with the fact most of them don't have real problems. So they have to find problems and oppression some other way (because on Tumblr how oppressed you are is a sign of superiority).

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This and less known people have suffered the same.

The last I saw was someone who got doxed and subsequently fired from their job for saying something racist.
It turned out that they hadn't said such thing and that the one who did was someone with a grudge who created a fake account with a very similar name and of course no one noticed while calling them out, because who cares about evidence and double checking before doxing someone?

The John Green thing I really don't get. How are there gonna be any YA books if adults can't write them? I mean, I'm sure you could get some written by teens every now and then, but it's kinda rare for someone that young to be decent enough and persistent enough to get published.

Feels > Facts

I saw that artist callout thing that been circulating recently, I mean the are artist on there that are shitty (Bleedman, Dragoneer, Purplekecleon) but most of it is pure bullshit.
(Although I have to laugh at Tom Preston being called anti-sj)

Do you or anyone else have a link to that list? My morbid curiosity is getting the better of me, but my Googlemancy is weak.

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I saw the one about how plebcomics supposedly compared her "calling out" to rape.

I looked at the sources and what really happened was that she was calling out the 'you had it coming' line of thinking. I didn't see a post that said "I feel like I've been raped."

And not to mention, I found it funny how "being doxxed and fired' suddenly became "called out". Like it's a perfect example of how some of these nutcases can do anything from calling you a whatever-phobe or bigot to literally calling your work and telling them to fire you and then playing all innocent like "all I did was call her out, why is she so upset about it??!"

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Purplekecleon did nothing wrong. http://lexyeevee.tumblr.com/post/101249372217/pengosolvent-versus-the-truth-a-rebuttal

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It's a slam book for the internet. Childish when we had them in grade and high school and even worse when adults do it online.

Yeah. I was just saying to a friend the other day about how I imagine people like Your Fave Is Problematic to be like a "Soapbox Sadie version of Regina George with their blog as their 'Burn Book'."

Yes. It's another reason SJW need to die.

Whoa dude. I think you're going a little far. SJW just need to clean up their act and knock off the rumor spreading. There's no need anyone needs to die.

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I never see this shit myself but the fact that it does happens scares me. Most people don't deserve 'being called out', and even if they said or did something questionable people often take it too far.

Frankly, I don't blame people for wanting to stay anonymous; it feels safer sometimes, you know? I feel sad that I can't write or draw or make fanvids to contribute to fandom, but doing what I do doesn't draw much attention, and it's best that way.

Honestly, if someone is so obsessed with another person that they dedicate an entire blog to picking out every tiny thing they think they did wrong and telling the entire world, then that person (the picker-outer) needs help. Or to grow up big time. I don't know if that behavior would legally count as stalking but to me it's just as creepy.

I'm not talking about people like Andy Blake who are actually dangerous - blogging about them is a public service - but just normal people who accidentally did something to make someone else mad once and now has a vengeance-obsessed creeper watching their every online move and publicly lambasting them for it. Frankly, I think it's bullying, and it's not excusable even if the aforementioned normal person did make a mistake at some point.

I don't mind internet records of something actually happening ie chronological what happened

But random call our lists,even of ppl I don't like, are a nope. Especially the reaching ones. Or the ones where the poor fucker is some dumb kid

Callout lists - haven't heard of that, I think that is creepy.

This doesn't originate with tumblr though, it's something that happens wherever there's a strong ideology and a hothouse environment.

I've been called out irl years and years ago in a university feminist activist environment, called racist for something that was frankly ridiculous. I did so much soul searching about whether I was racist, and ended up learning a lot about racism and ways I was ignorant as a white person. I can still say that that calling out was more about a mob mentality than anything sincere. That whole situation I was involved in was a complete traumatic clusterfuck and there were lots of feminists "called out", one ended up being surrounded by other women and yelled at and had pizza thrown at her and had told it was a "public shaming". More than one person later called the situation reminiscent of The Crucible.

I am very much a strong believer in social justice movements, and I get very uncomfortable when people point to excesses and use them to say "x movement is invalid!", but yeah, humans love to use ideology in ways that devolve into good vs evil, us vs them, and react in extreme ways that lose sight of the original issues.

That's a really good insight, and true.

I had a similar experience once - relatively new to the internet, grew up in a fairly sheltered environment, and said something really ignorant that was (rightfully) called homophobic. Only instead of just pointing it out I got totally dogpiled. I tried to defend myself and shoved my foot in it even harder, because again, ignorant. And the responses got worse and worse.

I have since learned a lot and would never again say the thing I said, but I don't think that particular experience was particularly useful, and in hindsight, even though I understand that they were frustrated, I don't think their response was really good for anyone except maybe them venting off steam. In hindsight it was pretty obvious that I was a sheltered idiot, not anyone with actual bad intent towards anybody, and it should have been obvious to others as well. (Also, this was on a comm that I later found out has a reputation for being kinda wanky.)

Fortunately the incident ended there.

People who are instigating these things should be sued/charged with assault. Even if it results in no actual punushment, they might think twice about trying to "bring down" people with no reliable evidence they did anything wrong.

I definitely think it should be considered stalking or something similar. You could argue it's cyberbullying. I think it's close enough as makes no difference. I would like to see it become something that can be persecuted.

If there's no evidence, they could be sued for libel?

It's creepy and awful but honestly I just assume that some of the people who make these lists are incredibly or at least somewhat salty and want to bring down people who they think are better than them.

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