[ SECRET POST #394 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #394 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 15 pages, 375 secrets from Secret Submission Post #057.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 ] not!secrets, [ 1 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] repeat, [ 1 2 ] too big, [ 1 ] personal attack, [ 1 ] we went through this yesterday.
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Comments

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

No, you aren't,

A salary of a woman being lower does not mean that women still WANT TO DEPEND ON MEN. I've seen women support their families while working as phone tech support.

of course, you're going by america only so your veiws and mine will be vastly different.

Re: OP 16

[pinstripesuit.livejournal.com]

Of course it doesn't mean that they want to be dependent on men. But there is the EXPECTATION and social/cultural pressure/tradition that they SHOULD be, which manifests in pay descrepency.

Even individual choices exist within a system. Nothing is decided within a vaccuum.

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

yes, but you're blaming men...

Oh wait. That's right. you're blaming MEN.

I'm just going to ignore you now :D

Re: OP 16

[pinstripesuit.livejournal.com]

I'm not blaming men. I'm blaming a system that favors men over women. It's called patriarchy, and it fucks everyone up- women AND men.

Re: OP 16

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I don't see what's hard to understand about that.

Re: OP 16

[pinstripesuit.livejournal.com]

Despite the name, common sense isn't common.

See also: Some of the greatest suporters of patriarchy are women.

Re: OP 16

[jewbrat.livejournal.com]

they're making a very valid argument here, i just think you're not listening, or the information is going right over your head because you've missed the whole point of what they're saying.

in layman's terms: Society, whether women like it or not, functions on the idea that women are the lesser-than beings, and because of this, even though we try and fight it, we feel backed into a corner with the only option of depending on a man. Some just give up easier then others.

OT: the Zero Punctuation icons are SO appropriate/amazing here.

Re: OP 16

[pinstripesuit.livejournal.com]

[I made a bunch] (http://pics.livejournal.com/pinstripesuit/gallery/0002a85a), if you want to take any.

Re: OP 16

[germania731.livejournal.com]

*jenks* sahWEET. hey, didja get yahtzee's permission though?

Re: OP 16

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

A salary of a woman being lower does not mean that women still WANT TO DEPEND ON MEN. I've seen women support their families while working as phone tech support.

So you know what women everywhere want? That's nice.

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

I'm talking statistics. But of course, patriachy determines what women everywhere want so who cares right?

Re: OP 16

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I've never heard of such statistics, but I have heard plenty of statistics to the contrary.

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

I'm guessing you're talking American then, because i'm talking about canada.

Re: OP 16

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

I AM Canadian, so no.

Re: OP 16

[paperclipchains.livejournal.com]

Also: If you think there's such a vast difference between us and the US, you're kidding yourself.

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Well I don't know where you're getting your information, then.

Re: OP 16

[(Anonymous)]

I would assume from StatsCan.

Re: OP 16

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Except those arent the kind of things they ask about.

Re: OP 16

[(Anonymous)]

orly? (http://www.statcan.ca/english/clf/query.html?col=alle&qt=marriage+career&qi=3&charset=iso-8859-1&rf=0)

StatsCan studies all canadian statistics as an agency, interested in social trends etc. It's not all ...like, the census. That's just the part we see most often because it's what directly affects us. Looking outside of the self into actually educating ourselves on what these government agencies do is very useful.

Re: OP 16

[ronsard.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry to butt in, but for some reason I just felt the need to applaud you on this XD

But seriously, making country-specific arguments is ridiculous. Sexism is universal.

Re: OP 16

[(Anonymous)]

Forget North America? Let's go east, shall we, where at a certain Ministry of Foreign Affairs, gender-blind hiring policies are a thing to dream of. In fact, there are actually quota numbers for how many men and women they can hire in a specific year, and believe me, the male quota is always a wee bit higher because possibly some obscure study has shown that men make better diplomats, God only knows. I speak as the daughter of a woman who worked for 10 years in their HR department. And did someone say statistics? Well, here're some (http://whatjapanthinks.com/2005/12/23/endemic-discrimination-against-japanese-women-part-1-of-2/) from Japan, our one true haven of sanctity. Feast your eyes, warriors of justice.

Personally, I don't get your point at all about women being more career-driven and thus not having to depend on men even when their salary is lower. Sure, it's good they're no longer strictly dependent on the menfolk, but the fact that they're being paid less for roughly the same amount of work? THAT'S THE PROBLEM. To career-minded women, it's a pretty big problem, and some of them don't even realize it because these systems have been in place for so long that they seem like "the way things ought to be."