[ SECRET POST #3154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Race does have basis in biology, but not the way you're using the word.

Not all places define "race" the same way. Tell Japanese and Filipino that they're the same "race" because they're "Asian/Pacific Islander" through a Western lens, and you're gonna get some weird looks from both. And neither are going to agree with you.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no, you're going to get some weird looks from the Japanese, because they're racists, but the Filipinos are going to agree that they're Asian.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, troll. Fine, would you prefer Indian and Filipino?

Either way the point was that "race" is defined differently by different groups. If you went to India and asked an Indian person if they're the same race as a Samoan person, you'd get a "no, WTF?"

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not actually that invested in that argument. It was just a weird example, given that there's a long-running argument over whether or not Filipinos 'count' as Asian (with Filipinos mostly saying yes).

Your broader point is probably correct. Just a weird example.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I was just choosing ethnically-distant countries at random that America would group into "API."

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Note that the above person you're replying to isn't the sub tread OP.

Just to make that clear.

I also responded to you however. (My response is lower down.)

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

That's my point though -- because race can be defined in different ways, it's clearly a social construct. And even though there does tend to be some biological basis, it's not 100% (for example, although most black people have dark skin, that's not true of everyone who is black).

And thus, on what grounds do we have the right to say to someone that they can't change their race while at the same time we support someone who is transitioning from one gender to another?

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

No, that's not what I was saying. I am saying there is a genetic basis but the way people commonly refer to race ignores those in favor of generalization.

For example, Han Chinese is certainly a group of people who do share a similar genetic base. If someone "trans racial" wanted to be Chinese, they wouldn't want to be "Asian" they would want to be "Han Chinese" because Asian also covers, for example, people from India.

"Asian" is the construct, but "Han Chinese" is a certain, concrete set of genetic traits and factors, like sex.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But Han Chinese people have a great deal of genetic variability among them.

To the point where it's pretty clear that some would have traits more similar to a white or black person than another Han Chinese person.

And, again, when you look at Africa, there is more genetic variability there than the rest of the world combined. And while you might look at an African American and perceive them as looking more similar to an African, in actuality, they're more genetically similar to a European American.

Thus, although I was using broader "categories" (white, black, Latino, Asian) my overall point is that I don't see why it's our business to tell people they can't identify with a different race than the one they were assigned.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're barking up the wrong tree? I didn't say anything about whether I would tell people they are wrong or not, only the way I would see it: race is to sex as cultural identity is to gender.

Some trans people go through with surgery and do everything they can to change their bodies because they have dysphoria about their physical sex, some are happy doing the minimal transition necessary to live life as their preferred gender identity even if they don't have hormone therapy or surgical reassignment, since it was the gender identity that was their priority.

I would think a white person who was dysphoric about their light skin as more like the former type of person, and a white person who wanted to identify culturally as black as more like the latter type of person. How valid is it? I can't tell you and I haven't tried.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Also, a wide range of genetic variability doesn't mean that there isn't a usual, typical, or norm.