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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

No, putting all the blame on men is a stupid fucking concept, because it takes all the pressure off the woman, who assumes that since it's up to the man to not rape her, she doesn't have to be aware of her situation or have any knowledge of self defense or have any kind of safety net at all. That will get a woman raped. You're arguing over fucking semantics and refusing to see the point. If you have some fucking training of some kind, any kind, that might help you prevent yourself from becoming a rape victim, then you have a chance. I'm not saying that you can't do everything right and still get raped, but if you do everything wrong, you're not going to fare any better.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

You're heavily misinterpreting the OP's point, and criticising an opinion s/he hasn't expressed.

S/he isn't saying: women shouldn't have to take any common sense measures for their safety lalalala.
S/he is saying: in a lot of rape cases those common sense advice measures are used to shame the victim into thinking they should have somehow prevented their rape, something which is atypical of other crimes.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

So then what is the correct course of action? We can teach these things that women need to know in order to protect themselves, and some women might be shamed for it, or we can NOT teach them, and even more women might be raped...and then shamed, for lacking the common sense defenses.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[diet_poison]

We can teach them, and THEN WE CAN EMPHASIZE TO EVERYONE that it's not a final solution, rape is never the victim's fault, and raping people is bad.

it's not a "we do or we don't" situation, there's more nuance.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

This, basically.

And also, and incredibly relevant, we are right now much better at the "teach them caution" piece and completely awful at the latter things. So, given that context, it makes more sense to emphasize the other parts.

It seems like OP is only looking at the precise statement "don't teach me to avoid rape, teach men not to rape" and ignoring any other aspect of the conversation or the argument.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, what are you reading other anon? No one has remotely said that anyone shouldn't have regard for their own personally safety. No one has said that safety advice is bad. People have, in fact, said the opposite of that several times.

I honestly can't tell if you're just trolling this thread, or if you've just got such a massive bee in your bonnet about this issue that you're reading antagonistic posts where there truly aren't any.

It isn't wrong or bad or even remotely discouraged to give people safety advice. No one has given the remotest suggestion that it is. But you have somehow heard it in every post.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

I really, seriously do think they're literally just arguing about the precise statement "Don't teach me not to get raped, teach men not to rape" and just ignoring any other nuance or sentiment.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

Are you for real? People are antagonizing all over this shit. OP didn't say "women are solely responsible for their not being raped" but that seems to be what people read into it.

Re: Inspired by another thread

[(Anonymous)]

Not a single person in this thread has accused them of that! A few people have said, "yes, safety is fine but there has to be more to it", which OP has ignored and continued to reiterate and argue their point even though no one was disagreeing with that particular point.

A few people have also pointed out that assuming that women don't or won't take safety measures because of a straw man argument that "women shouldn't have to consider their own safety at all" is stupid. Precisely because the only one making that argument is the OP.