[ SECRET POST #3154 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Finally saw MI: Rogue Nation and have a question (SPOILERS)

[(Anonymous)]

The one-on-one fight scene between Ilsa and one of the henchmen, there were some interestingly avoided cliches for a summer blockbuster, especially with her being a woman who's not the lead: she fights against a man, rather than another woman; he doesn't get cocky or underestimate her; they don't have any one-liners or sexual/sexist dialogue (or actually any dialogue besides him challenging her); and she definitively, actively kills him (instead of him falling to his death or anything else striking a killing blow).

So, are there any other movies, especially big blockbuster ones, that avoid similar cliches? I don't think any of the previous MI's do, but my action film knowledge is pretty limited. Ones where the woman is a lead is also of interest, but I realized how much I've come to expect all the above when the woman is a co-lead in a largely male-dominated team.

Re: Finally saw MI: Rogue Nation and have a question (SPOILERS)

[(Anonymous)]

Would you be interested in examples where the woman is a villain?

Kingsman spoilers (seriously, spoilers)

[elaminator]

Yea, there's probably a few villains or antagonists who fit, if OP is into that.

I was thinking about Gazelle as I read the post. Not surprising given my obsession right now, but still; I think she fits?

Granted she doesn't have a TON of scenes, but she's incredible in what should she does have, and I don't recall anyone ever underestimating her. No sexist remarks either. She's the right hand of the films main villain, is treated as someone he cares about and respects (And vice versa) and she's also his muscle. She brutally murders people on the regular, and somehow looks fashionable doing it.

She does end up dying by the main character, but only after said character pulls a trick out of his ass. He's a talented guy but she's out of his league when it comes to fighting and can't beat her the conventional way.

(Now I really want to see MI, OP. I'd have to watch the others first though.)

Re: Kingsman spoilers (seriously, spoilers)

[(Anonymous)]

OP:

I guess I was primarily thinking about non-villains. Now that I think about it, some of the cliches may happen less when a woman is a straight-up villain, because heroes generally wouldn't be the ones to say sexual/sexist things, be overly cocky, etc. Her actively killing people would also be more expected in that role. But I think the tendency would still be to have her fight another woman for her "major fight scene".

Heh, I actually walked in on someone watching Kingsmen several times, so though I haven't properly seen it, spoilers don't really hurt at this point :P Interesting, though! Thanks for the rec.

(Personally, I think the MI movies work all right as stand-alones (saw 2, 4, 1, and 5 in that order and never felt terribly lost, though 2 almost put me off seeing any others). But it's true they do introduce a few universe-specific items and characters along the way. Anyway, it's a fun series overall, and it's neat seeing the different directors' takes on the franchise for each one.)

Re: Finally saw MI: Rogue Nation and have a question (SPOILERS)

[(Anonymous)]

Mad Max: Fury Road is great for that!

Re: Finally saw MI: Rogue Nation and have a question (SPOILERS)

[(Anonymous)]

OP: Yes! Saw Fury Road, loved it :)