[ SECRET POST #3157 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3157 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

this. there's a difference between writing out thoughts with british grammar patterns or idioms, which would be accurate, and writing out thoughts with a british accent

'accents' are pronunciation, not syntax and grammar and speech patterns

[kamino_neko]

I'm sorry, do you have the idea that words have some natural pronunciation that people think them in regardless of how they've learned to pronounce them? No doubt in line with your accent, of course.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Probably meant more in the sense that the character would likely believe, if recording their thoughts in writing, that they thought of X word, not "X word as pronounced with Y accent."

The latter might be how others hear them, especially if their own accent is different, but probably not how someone would casually assess their own thoughts.

[(Anonymous)]

exactly, they're all butthurt over nothing. wtf

they would think words as normal words and at most their syntax and grammar or idioms would change, a southern american might think 'they ain't gonna sound like this,' but they're not gonna think it out 'dey ain't goina soun' laik this'

[kamino_neko]

Pronunciation isn't spelling.

But, funnily enough, spelling is, in fact, how they know what accents from before recording technology sounded like.

See, back in the day, spelling wasn't standardized. And someone who would pronounced the sentence 'dey woul soun like dat' would, in fact write it as 'dey woul soun like dat'.

[(Anonymous)]

1) we're talking about a third party author writing someone's accent
2) the character in question isn't writing at all
3) even if they were, what in hell, I do not write in the accent I speak in and neither do most people

you are a strange person. I'm disconnecting from this conversation. this is seriously so weird. bye

[kamino_neko]

3) even if they were, what in hell, I do not write in the accent I speak in and neither do most people

This is precisely my point.

What they would write and what they would say are not the same, but what they would speak and what they would think are.

This is where the problem comes in.

By talking about writing out accents in thought, rather than writing out accents in general, you implicitly stated that what is written reflects thought, and thus speech does not reflect thought.

[(Anonymous)]

what is written reflects thought. speech reflects thought but comes out differently due to accents

we can both think 'mary' and pronounce it in different ways due to our respective accents

we are both still thinking 'mary' this does not change and if you were writing out our thoughts it should still be mary in thought even if you physically enunciate merry and i physically enunciate mairy

jfc ok im really done this is ridiculous

[kamino_neko]

This only makes sense if people think in text, which they don't.

[(Anonymous)]

They don't? I do. It's not the only way people think, but some of us do think in text.

[(Anonymous)]

Speak for yourself matey. I'm a very visual thinker, which involves seeing words.

[(Anonymous)]

uh wtf where the hell did you get that from my comment

i'm saying accent is separate from grammatical structure so it would be accurate for a brit to think 'the cup with the tea in' which is a british english grammatical structure but they wouldn't be sounding like 'th' cup with th' tea in' or whatever weird accent an american would type it out as

this offends you or something? enough to warrant a sarcastic 'i'm sorry'? wtf again

[kamino_neko]

WTF, yourself.

It doesn't matter what they would write. Someone whose accent Mary/merry/marry or pen/pin would think think them all the same way as they would speak them. (And how do I know this? Mary/merry/marry are homophones in my accent, and, guess what, I can spell them all properly, but I sure would be thinking [mɜri] for all three of them.)

And, yes, this offends me because it's part of the privileging of prestige accents by acting like any other accent is a put on that doesn't actually reflect the way the person was taught to speak. 'Oh, no, they know that "pen" is pronounced [pɜn], not [pɪn], they're just being too lazy to pronounce it right.' Or 'they're just putting on an act' which is perhaps less offensive but even more bizarre.

You shouldn't write out accents at all, because it's offensive and unless you're using IPA, it's just going to come out as a mess that only makes sense relative to your own accent, but it's wrong, offensive, and ridiculous to pretend that people don't think in the same accent that they speak (unless they've trained themselves to use a different accent, or are code-switching).

[(Anonymous)]

uh

yeah.

you're angrily completely agreeing with me while being offended for some reason. are you just not understanding what I'm saying?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybes it's your accent?



;)

[(Anonymous)]

i literally don't understand what they're reading in my words that they disagree with, i'm completely mind-boggled. if you could help me out id be grateful, am i just making no sense? they're repeating what i'm saying back at me angrily i dont get it

[(Anonymous)]

do you disagree with my comment further down about the example in a book that agrees with you well showing spelling out the accents in thoughts is silly?

[kamino_neko]

OK, at this point, I'm going to assume that the disconnect is that I took your specifically talking about thoughts as meaning you were fine with it being used in speech.

If that's not the case, then, yes, we agree.

[(Anonymous)]

come on...

>this. there's a difference between writing out thoughts with british grammar patterns or idioms, which would be accurate, and writing out thoughts with a british accent

[kamino_neko]

That's exactly what I mean. You specified thoughts. This implicitly excludes speech. To not exclude speech, you would write it as 'writing in accent'.

[(Anonymous)]

DA Nothing they have written implies any such thing, Touchypants. Stop looking for a fight where none exists.