[ SECRET POST #3158 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3158 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That's a very poorly made argument (at the point where 2/5 of your franchise is not very your-franchise-y, you get into a certain definitional difficulty imo)

but also, i will fight you if you talk shit about DS9, or say that it's not really Star Trek, or say that someone's somehow not a Star Trek fan for liking it

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But DS9 was blatantly, blatantly, ripping off Babylon 5 towards the end. Like, not even subtly. Also, not even well.

[fingalsanteater]

Now that I've seen B5, I feel like I need to rewatch DS9 with this criticism in mind.

[philstar22]

I kind of feel like this too. I'm on a Trek rewatch of the 3 24th century series. DS9 has always been my favorite, but now that Babylon 5 is my absolute favorite tv series I'm wondering if I'll feel differently in the rewatch.

[fingalsanteater]

I've been wracking brain thinking of how DS9 is a blatant rip off, but I'm not exactly sure that the criticism is really accurate. I mean, is it darker sci-fi concerned involving war and God-like aliens? Yes. But this is common in a lot of sci-fi. So there were two darker sci-fi shows running concurrently. I'd like to know how it was ripping off B5 unsubtly.

[philstar22]

Well, it was originally a rip-off. Intentionally so. With the space station thing. But I don't really think it ended up being all that similar, though maybe my memory is faulty because it has been a few years since I've watched DS9.

[fingalsanteater]

I didn't think about the original concept being a rip-off, lol. I forgot B5 kind of came first. But yeah, I recall the story being rather different besides the obvious similarities.

[philstar22]

It was a rip-off in the sense that Strazinski pitched B5 to Paramount first. They turned it down, Warner Brothers took it, and then Paramount came out with Deep Space 9 very shortly after. DS9 quickly became its own thing and I doubt it was ever a direct copy given how different the characters are. But the origins are a bit hinky.

[fingalsanteater]

Ah, yes. I recall reading about that now.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, the idea of doing a Trek show on a Space Station was being floated as far back as the 1970s, it was one of the things considered for Phase 2 before that was dumped for the movie series. Yes, JMS had an interview and a pitch at Paramount, but he wasn't the first person to pitch a Space Station show to them. Even JMS agrees it wasn't a rip. You might as well call Voyager a rip off of Red Dwarf on basis they are both in deep space and trying to get back to earth and have a hologram as main cast.

[(Anonymous)]

DS9 at the very least took great influence from B5's entire premise. I wish I had a source for this, but I've heard it bandied about that JMS first pitched B5 to Paramount and they rejected it. Then, when B5 got picked up by a different network, suddenly Paramount came out with DS9 -- their own sci-fi show about people and aliens on a space station, starting in the aftermath of a great war, and centered on a conflict between a formerly colonized world and the recently ousted imperialist power.

[(Anonymous)]

Seen both many times - sorry, no.

[quantumreality]

Huh! Having watched DS9 but not B5 I guess I should give B5 a go and see how much overlap there was.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh good grief, not this again.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Simmer down. They didn't actually say any of the things you would fight them for.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I adore DS9 and I also adore TOS and TNG, and they all definitely count as Star Trek to me. Chillax.

However, I do think that DS9 had a lot less of certain elements that were very prominent in TOS and TNG and VOY (and since TOS and TNG came first, yeah I do think they get to define what "Star Trek-y" means more than later shows do.)

Enterprise had a lot less of those elements too. Hence, I can see how someone could rank DS9 and Enterprise best out of all the shows.