[ SECRET POST #3170 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3170 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

Context from Vice:

"As if having to deal with a slurry of forlorn yet very fertile women wasn't bad enough, Bethesda made it a thing that even though the pregnant women are fine to work with dangerous and intense looking machinery, if there's a fire or an attack of some kind the non-foetus-filled women will help out while the baby mamas to be will lose their shit and start running around screaming, something which not only pissed me off but also other, smarter people like Feminist Frequency's Anita Sarkeesian.

So thanks to Bethesda's annoying portrayal of such women as feckless, screaming baby-vessels, this meant if I was attacked by Radroaches (dog-sized bugs) someone was bound to die, and a lot of the time they were the fathers-to-be, meaning that the kids in my game were born into already tragic families."

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-fallout-shelter-turned-me-into-a-miserable-prick-215

[(Anonymous)]

the helpless screaming is indeed a bad choice

[fingalsanteater]

The screaming I could do without, but like OP of the secret said, you're the one who chooses to treat the women like baby machines. So, it's more your values reflecting in your gameplay.

[kitelovesyou]

Lolwut. As someone who was recently pregnant, I got pretty used to people treating me like I was a fragile bunch of irrational hormones and more a womb than a woman (infuriating), whereas guess what, I felt much like my normal self but with a bump. With normal reactions to bad things, with extra piquancy and urgency because baby.

Sounds like this game might have bought into aforementioned bullshit idea of irrational baby-vessels.

[(Anonymous)]

I work in a fairly physical profession, I'd say about half of the women who get pregnant get doctors to write them light duty notes and they brag about it. I realize some truly do need to ease up on the physical demands but it's pretty blatant.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, unfortunately the nature of pregnancy means that heavy lifting and a lot of time on your feet does in fact make miscarriage or premature birth more likely. It doesn't rule out a lot of other activities, but those two issues are entirely real.

[(Anonymous)]

I do realize that, and I try to give them the benefit of the doubt but some are out and out looking for a few months of paid internet surfing time. Makes the rest of us look bad and people are suspicious if we truly do need the light duty work.

[(Anonymous)]

classic pitting women against each other. well done.

[kitelovesyou]

unfortunately the nature of pregnancy means that heavy lifting and a lot of time on your feet does in fact make miscarriage or premature birth more likely

No it does not! Can say this as someone who did a lot of it in the last couple of months of pregnancy (I moved interstate). My sister did it too (renovated a house). We checked with doctors.

Yeah sure you could go completely ridiculously overboard, or you might have particular medical issues such as hypermobility, or simply bad morning sickness and fatigue. But it's not actually that easy to shift a baby from your womb, our ancestors worked pretty hard.

[(Anonymous)]

our ancestors had ten pregnancies, with like 3 miscarriages and 3 early infancy deaths.

[kitelovesyou]

Pointless replying, but the vast majority of miscarriages are from genetic issues and other factors beyond our control. I've HAD a miscarriage, I have made damn well sure to do my research about this.

There's strong evolutionary pressure to not let maternal (& trans) survival behaviour affect reproduction. The main reason so many babies die in childbirth without sophisticated intervention (compared to most other mammals) is because of the strong evolutionary pressure to have large heads and narrow hips (intelligence, walking upright). We are actually born premature relative to other animals so that the head will fit through the narrow-hipped canal, and are very vulnerable when born As for infant mortality after birth, that is common in the animal kingdom and has nothing to do with pregnancy or behaviour during.

My child was in intensive care after he was born, so ask me how I know this shit!

[(Anonymous)]

"Yeah, unfortunately the nature of pregnancy means that heavy lifting and a lot of time on your feet does in fact make miscarriage or premature birth more likely."

Yeah, that's actually not true, unless it's a high-risk pregnancy. And this myth keeps a lot of women from getting enough exercise while they're pregnant which winds up making labor harder for them.

[ibbity]

People treating me like a fragile bunch of irrational hormones and more a womb than a woman is one of my worst fears about having kids someday

I mean, I WANT kids someday, but I am realllllly not looking forward to the whole "literally everyone you meet views you as a walking uterus full of crazy and refuse to respect your bodily autonomy or your intellect" thing that a lot of women I know have mentioned tends to happen

[(Anonymous)]

You will be more upset if you are heavily pregnant and no one cuts you slack or recognizes that yes, your body is different and you are full of interesting hormones. Try standing in a bus for an hour at 8 months while a couple of teen boys lounge around on the seats....

[ibbity]

...okay? It's possible to be annoyed that you can't find a seat on the bus and also be annoyed that random strangers grab your body parts without permission and talk to you like you are mentally challenged because baby, which I have heard plenty of awful stories about.

[(Anonymous)]

you might actually BE more irritable, and, yes, even more stupid. I was. Forgetful, unable to concentrate... and I've met my fair share of women wo had it worse. but my bodily autonomy was totally respected. If people around you are assholes, chances are they might react in an asshole way to your pregnancy. In my case, nobody did.
to be honest, I was the one pulling out of my usual role. I even was a bit irritated when, after I declined a friends invitation to a wine festival, she was miffed. Yes, for these short 9 months, sitting at home with a book might be my idea of a good time, and in any respect better than hanging around with (albeit nice) drunk people at a place where peple go to drink. Concentrating on the uterus-part of myself actually felt empowering, because I had a reason to look to what *I* wanted to do, and what felt good to *me* instead of chasing societal standards. And don't let people tell you that you have to live "for the baby" and neglect yourself for that. A lot of supposedly feminist positions I hear just devalue the baby to put the emphasis on "the woman", but that distinction is just wrong...

[(Anonymous)]

i swear to god VICE needs to shut the fuck up and keep being amazed that other cultures exist in tandem with them.

[(Anonymous)]

They called Anita Sarkeesian "smart" I think that just about says all.