[ SECRET POST #3170 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3170 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://i.imgur.com/vm4WtZp.jpg

[feotakahari]

Context from Vice:

"As if having to deal with a slurry of forlorn yet very fertile women wasn't bad enough, Bethesda made it a thing that even though the pregnant women are fine to work with dangerous and intense looking machinery, if there's a fire or an attack of some kind the non-foetus-filled women will help out while the baby mamas to be will lose their shit and start running around screaming, something which not only pissed me off but also other, smarter people like Feminist Frequency's Anita Sarkeesian.

So thanks to Bethesda's annoying portrayal of such women as feckless, screaming baby-vessels, this meant if I was attacked by Radroaches (dog-sized bugs) someone was bound to die, and a lot of the time they were the fathers-to-be, meaning that the kids in my game were born into already tragic families."

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/how-fallout-shelter-turned-me-into-a-miserable-prick-215

[(Anonymous)]

the helpless screaming is indeed a bad choice

[fingalsanteater]

The screaming I could do without, but like OP of the secret said, you're the one who chooses to treat the women like baby machines. So, it's more your values reflecting in your gameplay.

[kitelovesyou]

Lolwut. As someone who was recently pregnant, I got pretty used to people treating me like I was a fragile bunch of irrational hormones and more a womb than a woman (infuriating), whereas guess what, I felt much like my normal self but with a bump. With normal reactions to bad things, with extra piquancy and urgency because baby.

Sounds like this game might have bought into aforementioned bullshit idea of irrational baby-vessels.

[(Anonymous)]

I work in a fairly physical profession, I'd say about half of the women who get pregnant get doctors to write them light duty notes and they brag about it. I realize some truly do need to ease up on the physical demands but it's pretty blatant.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, unfortunately the nature of pregnancy means that heavy lifting and a lot of time on your feet does in fact make miscarriage or premature birth more likely. It doesn't rule out a lot of other activities, but those two issues are entirely real.

[ibbity]

People treating me like a fragile bunch of irrational hormones and more a womb than a woman is one of my worst fears about having kids someday

I mean, I WANT kids someday, but I am realllllly not looking forward to the whole "literally everyone you meet views you as a walking uterus full of crazy and refuse to respect your bodily autonomy or your intellect" thing that a lot of women I know have mentioned tends to happen

[(Anonymous)]

You will be more upset if you are heavily pregnant and no one cuts you slack or recognizes that yes, your body is different and you are full of interesting hormones. Try standing in a bus for an hour at 8 months while a couple of teen boys lounge around on the seats....

[(Anonymous)]

you might actually BE more irritable, and, yes, even more stupid. I was. Forgetful, unable to concentrate... and I've met my fair share of women wo had it worse. but my bodily autonomy was totally respected. If people around you are assholes, chances are they might react in an asshole way to your pregnancy. In my case, nobody did.
to be honest, I was the one pulling out of my usual role. I even was a bit irritated when, after I declined a friends invitation to a wine festival, she was miffed. Yes, for these short 9 months, sitting at home with a book might be my idea of a good time, and in any respect better than hanging around with (albeit nice) drunk people at a place where peple go to drink. Concentrating on the uterus-part of myself actually felt empowering, because I had a reason to look to what *I* wanted to do, and what felt good to *me* instead of chasing societal standards. And don't let people tell you that you have to live "for the baby" and neglect yourself for that. A lot of supposedly feminist positions I hear just devalue the baby to put the emphasis on "the woman", but that distinction is just wrong...

[(Anonymous)]

i swear to god VICE needs to shut the fuck up and keep being amazed that other cultures exist in tandem with them.

[(Anonymous)]

They called Anita Sarkeesian "smart" I think that just about says all.

[(Anonymous)]

usually i'd fall on the sjw side of things but a mechanic to keep pregnant women from combat is really not a big deal, realistically if you're keeping a pregnancy you should be out of combat situations

[elaminator]

but a mechanic to keep pregnant women from combat is really not a big deal

IA with that, though it sounds like the game could've done without the screaming. That sounds a bit silly and insulting.

Not that the game can't be good despite that (I keep forgetting to download this), but I can see why someone might be annoyed by it.

[(Anonymous)]

Tell that to the militaries that let women deploy up until 7 months or so.

Seriously the womb is not that fragile, pregnant women are not that fragile, and all the crap that says they are is really harmful.

[fingalsanteater]

I would normally agree that keeping pregnant women from fighting seems a bit sexist, but all the comments I see on it seem to be written by misogynists so I've come to the conclusion that the people that are taking issue with it are the ones who are treating the Dweller women like shit. I've seen people trying to argue against the misogynistic nature of protecting the pregnant women by calling them baby factories and useless sluts. Yeah, okay, you sure sound like you are a feminist...

[(Anonymous)]

how is it misogynistic to not let pregnant women fight in combat?

[fingalsanteater]

The fallout fandom is so reactionary and sour. Like, Fallout 4 is homophobic because the intro section (where you create your character) features a het couple and you are creating their baby? I do not get it at all.

[(Anonymous)]

from what i remember, those comments came from people who weren't planning to buy/play it in the first place.

[fingalsanteater]

eh, not on my dash.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it a rule that you can't play as gay later? If so then that's bad. That's also not likely to happen because SJWs would tear Bethesda to pieces and I wouldn't stop them. Also, a lot of straight dudes like to play as women and enjoy the lesbian romances (more power and no shame to them for enjoying their game that way) so there would be another side of gaming who'd be upset.

[fingalsanteater]

No, I'm pretty sure you can have gay/lesbian romance later.

[(Anonymous)]

you're creating your character and your character's opposite sex partner, which since fallout was harping about character creation IS pretty shitty to start everyone's character off in a her relationship with kids

[(Anonymous)]

*het

[rivia]

i was more miffed how some of the decent outfits with ok stats are male only, the professor one, the clergy one, etc.

i've been playing this game way too much help me