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⌈ Secret Post #3172 ⌋

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Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/9/9275611/victorian-era-life

Do these people sound like annoying hipsters, or what?

I mean, I like many older clothing styles. And I think it's kind of cool that they use old technology. But really, wanting to actually LIVE in the Victorian era? No vaccines, lynching and lack of rights for black people (in the US, where this couple live), no female suffrage, high child mortality... sheesh.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Aside from all of those very good and just reasons, you can take my air conditioning out of my chilled, dead hands.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much yes. I'd also like to know how she wrote the article, and who took the pictures. She damn well better have written it with an inkwell and had some modern fellow transcribe it in exchange for some of her homemade sourdough bread.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

They should get together with that Tumblr guy from a while back who hated heating, double-paned windows, and bathrooms in churches.

What's up with all the reactionary oddballs ranting on the internet about how life was better without modern technology lately?

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

What's up with all the reactionary oddballs ranting on the internet about how life was better without modern technology lately?

Massively privileged people who have no idea what it's like to be FORCED to go without, coupled with too much time on their hands.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

this

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[a_potato]

That's exactly what I thought when I saw this earlier today.

A lot of people take a very romantic view of the Victorian era, largely due to the clothing and manners and, to a lesser extent, the dancing; it all seems so elegant and refined. But the larger reality of the period was...pretty harsh.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, when you're talking about the non-Disney version, it's an absolutely fascinating period, but you definitely wouldn't want to live there.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[kitelovesyou]

It seems so elegant and refined when you're looking at it with upper-class goggles on. Ugh.

My dad told me the other day one of my ancestors in the Victorian era died being operated on on his kitchen table for a relatively minor complaint, which is a thing that was done. Such a prosaic end. Wouldn't revisit that time for quids.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[a_potato]

Oh gods, the way medicine was practiced at that time...absolutely horrifying.

And yeah, there's definitely a classist element. It wasn't so elegant for the people who belonged to the lower classes, and who typically couldn't hope to ever climb higher.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[belladonna_took]

Boar hair tooth brush? tasty!

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I see it as another form of LARPing or cosplay. It's uber nerdy and yes, a little blind to the problems of the Victorian era but IDGAF if people want to do it.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[kitelovesyou]

As LARPing, it's fine and fun and fantasy, even if I side-eye some LARPers' lauding of terrible morality and politics as ~romantic.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Please cite portion of the article where the author was pining for high child mortality and the disenfranchisement of black people.

Just saying...

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of people who are interested in the Victorian era, and honestly, they're not for disenfranchising POC and ignoring the problems of the era. If anything, they're very much for studying them and talking about them. And actually, a friend of mine (who's asian) studies and discusses POC in the Victorian era.

I'm not saying this is the same thing, I'm just saying (as a response to some of the other comments in this thread) not all Victorian enthusiasts are upper class snobs who miss the days of white supremacy. They also are fully aware that as women, they would've been way worse off.

Re: Just saying...

[a_potato]

Hey that's cool! I wish more of the people I know who are into it were like the people you know, heh.

On the plus side, the people I know aren't so much lamenting the loss of racial and class supremacy as they're unaware of a lot of the problems of the era, and don't really want to think or learn about them.

Re: Just saying...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - Yeah, apparently we know very different steampunkers. :/ The ones I know are very aware of those things.But they're also well-read and interested in history, not the pretties, you know?

Re: Just saying...

[a_potato]

The ones around me are definitely a lot more interested in the pretties. It is a sad state of affairs. :(

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Aw, Port Townsed. My grandparents used to live there. I'm not entirely surprised that's where you'd find this couple.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[tabaqui]

Ha, yes. What's most hilarious to me is, if you grabbed an actual Victorian and plopped them down in the modern world, you can damn well betcha they'd *love* microwaves, electric lights, space heaters and friggin' tampons.

(Not to mention hot showers and fresh fruit in winter and Nyquil.)

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[mudousetsuna]

But if you actually check out their website, and how she describes how they came into living the lifestyle they do, they admit that it's their method of study. Who says you have to throw out /everything/ to be authentic? They aren't trying to meet someone's particular standards, but do what makes them happy. So many people seem to be missing that. She talks about how she enjoys using less, and how taking the steps to prepare things herself makes them more mindful of what and how much they are using. You don't have to forego vaccines, live through all the suffering, and whatnot to experience the good parts of things. Nor does excluding those mean you aren't aware of how hard it really was for others. These people are historians, though not in the same sense as many are used to.

I think it's fascinating what they can learn by going through at least half of the motions of living through that time, even if not all of it is 100% accurate. She talks about how it began with a love of the clothing, and grew from there. So isn't it a transformative process? Isn't it very personal to them? I don't know that I'd call it hipster because they aren't telling other people what to do, and they get enough hate. There are other people who live like this too, and are very happy. Who cares if it's just 72% accurate, it's not like they're trying to make Victorian of the year or something.

This is like cosplayer elitsm or something, like if you aren't a good fan of something and don't wear every last accessory, you did it wrong...

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

she wrote a book about how her husband's gift of a corset transformed her life and turned her into a gracious Victorian lady...except that the book is apparently full of ungracious jabs at women who don't share her love for Victoriana. Not very gracious, if you ask me.

But otherwise, I tend to agree with you. Yes, she's chosen a slower lifestyle that requires a substantial commitment in time and (at least up front; I don't know about the long run) money. Some of the posters on this thread have labeled this the act of someone who's "massively privileged and with too much time on her hands." But the same could also be said of the rather sizable fraction of fandom people who spend 20 to 40 hours a week on TV, social media, gaming and fic. But just imagine the tremendous howl of outrage that would go up to heaven if you did! People are massively hypocritical about stuff like this: "HVDU judge me for how I spend my discretionary time and money...but I'm going to side-eye the fuck out of the way this other person spends their discretionary time and money!"

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[mudousetsuna]

Oh gosh, I didn't realize the book thing. :( That's disappointing.

But yeah, I prefer the live-and-let-live approach to hobbies. If no one's forcing their hobby on me, who the hell cares what they do for their own? She seems really happy doing it. It's her passion, it doesn't matter how accurate or not it is.

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[(Anonymous)]

Who cares if it's just 72% accurate, it's not like they're trying to make Victorian of the year or something. This is like cosplayer elitism, like if you aren't a good fan of something and don't wear every last accessory, you did it wrong.

Less criticizing her for not being authentic enough, than calling her on what they perceive as hypocrisy: "So you want to live in the past? You think it was better back then? Okay, missy, no antibiotics, tetanus shots, tampons, high-tech emergency medical interventions, or voting for you! How do you like your bygone era now?"

Re: Oh, seriously (neo-victorian hipsters)

[kitelovesyou]

I think you can cherrypick parts of the past for fun and as a personal project, without taking it 100% seriously. Like, I listen to Viking metal and enjoy some of the imagery etc, but I don't actually want to *live* like the Norse, lol, I'd probably *die* like the Norse pretty quick. If people want to cosplay the romantic aspects of Victoriana that's great, but if they start insisting that everything was way back better then like that tumblr Tory wanker, I'm gonna laugh at them.