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[ SECRET POST #3173 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3173 ⌋

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how big of a problem do you think sjws are or do you think it's mostly bigots crying about political correctness?

Someone crying about "political correctness" is more than likely a bigot, yes. Because that line of attack tends to be "I can say whatever I want to say and if you're offended you can go fuck yourself" and is used as justification for calling people faggots and whores - not frustration over someone calling "stupid" an ableist term or confusion over whether or not to say transgender or transgendered.

Certainly, online those bigots will use SJW to refer to anything remotely feminist. Not even annoying feminism, but "ugh the new Star Wars movie has a black guy and a woman, fucking feminazi SJWs" and other total nonsense.

I think SJWs are a problem online. I don't think they can really stand to be a serious threat irl, because real life is just way too far away from their message that it just isn't going to be taken seriously. Of course, for more practical social justice activists, this can be obnoxious as it alienates the cause and all, but mostly I think they are a problem online because of all the bullying they do. I don't care if they write their own blogs or whatever about their SJ opinions, but when they bully others, that's when it crosses the line.

Eh. The Black Lives Matter movement are SJWs in real life. Unorganized and always fighting the wrong people.

I think it's mostly bigots.

Here's when I see SJW thrown around:
-when someone calls someone out for being racist, sexist, or just an asshole
-when someone says racism and sexism exist
-when someone talks about consent
-when someone talks about the fact that false rape accusations are a very small percentage of total rape accusations
-when someone is pro-gun control
-when someone defends a woman, POC, or LGBTQ person
-when someone defends the idea of a trans person transitioning
-when someone talks about the environment
-when someone questions gamergate
-when someone suggests there are limits to free speech
-when someone explains the difference between the government restricting speech and a private company doing it

...I could go on.

It's basically something that's used now when someone has a somewhat liberal POV on something and dares to voice it or disagree with someone with a different POV.

I think SJWs annoy and harass a lot of decent people.

But if someone claims they're being oppressed by SJW, and that SJW are somehow stopping them from doing things or forcing them to do others, they're probably a bigot.

I sympathize with worries about the whole Crying Wolf effect and how people end up not wanting to hear about social issues, but I think people have more of a responsibility to remind themselves that these really are serious issues than most people who complain about that acknowledge. Plus it kind of bugs me that the same people who scoff at ideas about how media and the rest of society influence the way we look at certain groups will go ahead and blame SJWs for coloring the way they see people who talk about these things. Are we good at seeing and judging people as individuals or not?

"Ever had someone screaming at you how evil you are 24/7, while holding out their hand and expecting your money to go into it?"

As a tumblr user, I see two distinct categories of SJWs. One is the kind that feels passionately that everyone should have rights and be respected, etc. The other is the kind that bullies and dismisses people for being white, cis, male, etc. The former I don't think is a problem - I think it's a thing that has its moments of being really on the nose as well as its moments of overreacting, but means well and generally manages to keep itself in check. The latter is the problem, and they're usually the ones who sound ridiculously over-the-top about everything, as well as making the former group look bad by association.

All in all, I think it's a reasonable phenomenon that seems radical to some because it's bold and says things we aren't used to hearing, and has its share of extremists like any other generally decent group.

Thanks for drawing that distinction, because yeah.

Also, I'm really, really worried that we're raising a generation whose primary association with progressive ideas is going to be "those bullies who used to torture me online". That seems like it'll have bad effects down the road.

I cannot say I am in any way an expert on the subject, since I avoid the places SJWs are reputed to haunt (like Tumblr), but my impression of them is just what you say, Anon. There's the ones who believe in what they're saying but can go overboard, and the bullies and bigots, who make everyone look bad.

I'll say this regarding SJWs:

I'm jealous of the fact that black people (especially black women) get so much support from them. My dad is Syrian and I feel like Arab people and Middle Eastern people in general don't have much of a voice on English-speaking social media. It just feels like SJWs are perfectly happy to organize a "hierarchy" of oppression and will throw other POC under the bus when, in fact, a lot of oppression is really situational. Take religion -- if you're Christian in the West, you're not oppressed. But being Christian in the Middle East? Holy crap can that cause problems. And I find the SJW one size fits all mentality (that's mostly US-centric) really frustrating.

I'm beginning to think a lot of people who don't fit the SJW stereotypes could be considered SJWs in their own right, for starters, so I'm beginning to question the term. I mean, some of my ultra-conservative acquaintances technically count - they may not be on the liberal side of certain issues, but man are they passionate about them, and they will derail anyone who might slightly disagree.

I also think there's people who are really tamer than SJWs, but still take things a little further than they need to, and/or are idealistic. I was one of those people - SJW? Not exactly. But everything had to be this big issue.

I think there are people who are actually concerned about real issues of social justice, and then there are SJWs. I don't think they are the same people.

I think it's almost impossible to tell from the outside which is which, though. It's really easy to just assume that anybody you disagree with or find annoying is an SJW.

It's days like today that I can't stand them. All the posts pissing on the memory of those who died because they think it gives them special social justice points. No, it makes you look like ignorant cunts.

They're seldom the worst people in the room, nor are they typically the first ones to start doxxing and flinging death threats. I don't think they're the problem in and of themselves, just a manifestation of it.

Half bigots, half problem. Times are changing, people are uncomfortable with it and express it online. However a minority of people have some extreme "liberal views" and they exist IRL as well as on the Internet. These people make me slightly uncomfortable.

In the end whatever happens happens and I'm pretty neutral/benevolent about it as long as nobody's rights gets altered/supressed in the progress. I'm also amused that more and more media are trying to cash in the social justice movement by producing more movies catering to these people.

I think there's a lot of infighting stupid going around, or maybe tumblr is just very good at amplifying it.

Tumblr and twitter are good both at creating stupid infighting and at amplifying it.

Mostly bigots crying victim. Occasionally someone or some group with good intentions goes too far with bullying but it's hardly a widespread social issue.

How does good intentions go to bullying? You have to dehumanize someone to reach the point of bullying them.

Not necessarily, speaking from personal experience. A lack of respect is definitely predicated, however.

Besides, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, right?

Not much of a threat unless you're on certain social networks.

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