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⌈ Secret Post #3173 ⌋

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(Gravity Falls, Criminal Minds)

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[Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders]

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this reads scarily like "but All Lives Matter, we all bleed red, we're all the same human race"

That's a different scenario.

Like, I would set the bar for not being a fan of someone far lower than systematic brutality.

And that's also a valid point. What's your point?

It's different, though. The issue with Black Lives Matter is that it's considered, on various levels, ACCEPTABLE to kill black people. Kill a black person, there's millions of folks who'll bend over backwards to explain how it's not really murder, they deserved it, etc.

The reason "He hurts women" is emphasized here is because society considers it less acceptable to hurt/kill women, and more acceptable to hurt/kill men. Thus, if you want to make people dislike someone, emphasize that they're not doing something acceptable.

Don't believe me? Keep track the next time you watch a movie or a TV show. If someone kills a woman, they're almost definitely the villain. If someone kills a man, they're just as likely (slightly more, in fact) to be the hero.

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"The reason "He hurts women" is emphasized here is because society considers it less acceptable to hurt/kill women, and more acceptable to hurt/kill men. Thus, if you want to make people dislike someone, emphasize that they're not doing something acceptable."

That hit it, I think! Thank you. I think that was what was bothering me, that it sounded like it was even less acceptable because the victims were women... but if something is "less" acceptable then it implies something is "more" acceptable...

Black Lives Matter is fighting for the side already that's considered "more" acceptable, so that's different.

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keep track of REAL LIFE. women are killed by men all the time, especially in domestic violence situations. holy crap, man, what are you on?

Men are killed by men more often. VASTLY more often if we include suicides and war deaths, but still substantially more often if we just count murders. Does it weird you out that you've never heard that before? Do you think it should?

da How does that disagree with the former premise? Men do most of the killing, not women. When women are killed, they are mostly killed by men. Much of the time, it is their sexual partners or ex-partners. We live in a patriarchal society of violent men, that initiate violence, that receive violence in return, and intimate partners of men bear some of the brunt of this male violence. That men are aggressive towards other men does not mean that women are not killed because they are women; there are many reasons why men kill.

AYRT

The person I replied to was (I think) arguing that society does not in fact find killing men to be more socially acceptable than killing women. I was providing one of many examples demonstrating that that isn't so.

If you're the one upthread who thinks fiction is real life in terms of "social attitudes about killing women" vs "actual statistics of women killed"... d'you see there's a huge difference? Women are seen as weak and needing protection, so in shows, it is Bad and Cowardly to kill a woman. In real life, this perception of weakness and needing of protection, means that many women are killed when they displease the men who find them weak and needing of protection, ie usually sexual ex/partners, or other predators.

* And also, look at the Women In Refrigerators trope, it's relevant here. It being shown to be Very Bad to kill a woman does not necessarily mean her life is shown to be worth much.

So? How is that a counterargument? Yes, it being Bad and Cowardly to kill women but Brave and Tough to kill men is rooted in ugly, sexist, harmful attitudes. OBVIOUSLY. What point are you even trying to make?

Horseshit that it's "more acceptable" to kill black people as a group vs killing women as a group. Yes, we "know" that murder is wrong, it's never "acceptable", but sexism and racism and homophobia etc means that some groups end up copping more of that shit (and being told they were asking for it by being criminal/sexual/different). (And due to the culture of violence amongst men, it's usually them to go to the extremes of physical assault/murder).

I don't really know why "but men kill men too!" was related to your argument except as a classic mra-ish counter to "men kill lots of women" but I was responding to that, so...

so, you said you want more visualise media on women's death, is it? men, i don't know. are you been a litte bit sadistic?

Reading comprehension at what cost?

it also weird me out to why are men very eager enough to not consider on hurt/kill someone while keeping situation in check?

oh, they are. it just uncountable for.

i already think men does this thing like it was nothing.

Some of us are reptiles, punk!

Dang it, Bob! You weren't supposed to tell anybody!

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