[ SECRET POST #3175 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3175 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Idk... I've not seen many people scream about pandering. Sometimes I feel like it'S for brownie ponts, like when any one series chooses to have representation of every single sexual and racial minority. I'd call that pandering. Not to "the gays" but to a certain demographic.
But take Hannibal for example. I love it. It IS a little more shocking and tragic than how Hannibal ended up with Clarice, and Will's "healthy" alternative would have been the heterosexual one, PLUS they never cross the last line to "canon" (kinda like Korra did), but I like all of it.
Or take Rammstein's depiction of (male) Homosexuality as dark and destructive, yet powerful, the culmination of a certain image of masculinity, because it's "Mann gegen Mann", the ultimate collision of two phalli. These are aesthetic choices that elevate homoeroticism through symbolism that has always been there in heterosexual depictions as well. Ying/Yang, Sun/Moon, Internal/External. I don't think that these symbolic culminations should govern our society, but they are compelling aesthetic concepts. Art is often about simplification, culmination and symbolism. (like how the Margot/Alana scene in Hannibal started out all abstract mirrors and triangles, basically symbolizing "homosexual" and "vagina") GOOD art of course subverts itself at the same time.
Now following your argument, I'd guess that you would label these examples "shock value", and I simply cannot agree with that.
Yes I do get what you mean about the heterosexist gaze, I was an adolescent lesbian learning about that stuff back in the day, and being annoyed by a lot of it, but at the same time these very images were still making me feel more visible, while also turning me on.
That and... idk, I already know that there are totally normal lesbians and gays, living all sorts of totally normal lives. But whenever one of these "normal" lesbians pops up on TV I feel reminded of myself and I'd really rather see a mysterious, erotically charged lesbian instead of my ol' normal self and neighbors. I like it though if a character is later casually revealed to be a lesbian, like with some off-handed remark about their wife or girlfriend, and, with the Hannibal once more, I liked how casually and normally Hannibal delivered the line "Your Wife and Child belong to me" to Alana. That's a sort of "normal" I don't mind. But if a show goes out of their way to point to a character's normalcy and homosexuality at the same time it always feels forced and/or meh to me.

[kitelovesyou]

I'm not really sure what you're getting at so forgive me if I don't respond to all of it... but there is a patently huge amount of pushback whenever there's a same-gender kiss/scene/pairing on television. "Pandering" is the nicest of the accusations, really.

Just recently, the wank over a crappy Star Wars book having a homo couple, good lord, the screaming and clutching of pearls on the net, it's no big fucking deal that someone is queer, seriously.