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I don't think those mods really affect anyone else, but it does reflect kinda poorly on the mod authors and the people who use them IMO.

It's like the time I found a mod for Skyrim called Darker Argonian Nipples. Here's the thing -- Argonians don't have nipples. To use the mod it goes with another mod that gives them nipples. And THAT mod is meant for an overall nude mod, which I always thought were tacky at best. So not only did someone think the fucking lizard people needed nipples, but someone else thought they weren't dark enough. And people download this shit.

I mean, sure you can make and download mods like that, but what's that say about you? It's the same thing with mods that outright alter an established, written character's sexuality. You want that, isn't DA one of the more fic-heavy game fandoms out there?

This conversation is now about the ideal color for lizard nipples.

I say viridian.

Why not a nice forest green?

You want that, isn't DA one of the more fic-heavy game fandoms out there?

What's the difference between using fic to change a character instead of mods, though? Both are personal fan-made creations that do nothing to alter the original media and reflect on the taste of the people who create and enjoy them. I don't care about either, personally, but I can't make heads or tails of differentiating them.

How do you define "alter the original media," though? Because isn't that exactly what mods do?

I really wouldn't say so, mods don't change the original game that people buy, they don't endanger profits or visibility for that game with their existence. Same as fanfic doesn't reach through the ether to change the substance of the original book, even though fic adopts copyrighted characters from that book for the writer/reader's personal amusement.

I don't know. I think there's a big difference between writing fanfiction separate from the original media, and installing a mod that directly alters game files with visible results in said game.

Your copy of a game is separate from the original media, just like your copy of a book is, which is why you bought it, so you could read it and play it your own way, whether it's making notes in the margins or modding in a skimpy new outfit. (That's also why modders don't mod multiplayer games, because it's only when the game is shared that the rules have to be universal, so it's fair to everyone.) I'm curious, do you think AMVs, XNALara model rips, and picture/photo manips are also hugely different from fanfiction and fanart? I consider them all equally valid fanworks, but I never considered that some folks might have different levels of acceptability for them.

I'm curious, do you think AMVs, XNALara model rips, and picture/photo manips are also hugely different from fanfiction and fanart? I consider them all equally valid fanworks, but I never considered that some folks might have different levels of acceptability for them.

No, I don't, because those aren't altering game files for visible results in-game. That, to me, is the fundamental difference. It's one thing to rip the models for use in, say, Poser or whatever the hell people use these days, to make fanart with. It's quite another to make x character white so you don't have to look at brown people in-game.

I don't view mods as being in the same category as "fanworks," or rather I see them as a separate sort of fanwork compared to fanart, AMVs, manips, Garry's Mod screenshots, whatever, because you are directly altering the sum total of the work (as opposed to extracting a single piece of it for use outside of the work.)

I mean it's not really about "acceptability" or validity either. I use mods all the time -- Fallout 3 never goes without an install of FWE, for instance. I just don't see them as being the same thing as the conventional definition of "fanwork."

[ETA] Not to mention that mods aren't necessarily altering a single aspect of the game, or even multiple aspects of the game. Sometimes they change the game completely into something else. Cry of Fear, that freeware horror game? Started off as a Half-Life mod. Counterstrike is another. Other than a few reused textures it bears zero resemblance to the original game. In the old days we called that sort of thing a "total conversion." How can that reasonably be called a "fanwork?"

Edited 2015-09-20 00:30 (UTC)

Huh, that's pretty interesting. I figure if the resources come from any copyrighted media, whether they're characters or models or images, then using them in any way that doesn't come with Word of God endorsement as canon all falls under fanworks. Some I find more distasteful than others, but I'd be hard-pressed to say they aren't all created by fans of the original media for private non-profit use, which is how I define fanworks.

As for the rest, I couldn't say exactly where the line is between regular and total conversion fanworks. Whatever it is that allows the Fifty Shades of Grey author to make a profit without being sued for infringement despite it being common knowledge how her work began life (probably going back to resource usage).

Anyway, I can't say your perspective isn't consistent, so I guess I agree to disagree.

From what I heard it's because FSoG takes place in the real world (so no vampires and werewolves) and all the characters are ~~too bland~~ use common character templates it's apparently not similar enough to count.

I'm not a laywer though so take this with a grain of salt.

Yeah, that makes sense, swap out the names and most recognizable elements, I can see how just knowing it's an AU of something else wouldn't be enough to complain about copyright.

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