[ SECRET POST #3185 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3185 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

This is my hot button episode. She's willing to be with the guy through any number of dudes, but not a woman. Not his actual identity - he becomes the woman. That's the individual that she apparently fell in love with, despite the body he was in. In such a progressive time whether there's all this fight for social justice whereever the Enterprise goes, she can't continue to be in love with someone she loves, because their body changed. I hate this episode. Fuck.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

But she wasn't the individual Beverly fell in love with. When the Trills change hosts, they take on the memories and personalities of the new host, so the new host would no longer be him, but another person that has the memories of her lover.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a while since I saw this episode, but it's difficult to apply the information about Trill from DS9 to it. DS9 makes it abundantly clear that the symbiont and host both provide attributes to make a whole. And in the TNG ep, it seems that only the symbiont controls everything and the humanoid is just a vessel.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about love, it's about physical attraction. No matter how progressive society gets, some bodies will only respond to penises and some will only respond to vaginas.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

Applying current standards to the 24th century invalidates all arguments. The point is they're supposed to be that advanced. How often does someone wax poetic about equality and the barbaric ways humans used to do whatever?

I'm reminded of that other episode where Riker was all in favor of that other alien who wanted to identify as a woman, despite their asexual society looking down upon it.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

To be totally fair, Jonathan Frakes has gone on record more than once expressing his disappointment that they went with them identifying as (and being portrayed by) a woman instead of a man, because he felt like it really dulled the entire point of the episode.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

Being socially or intellectually advanced doesn't mean that you can change your sexuality at will.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

And what if sexuality isn't a choice? What if physical attraction isn't a choice? You can't socially progress yourself into being attracted to someone you're not attracted to.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

What does being "advanced" have to do with it? Strip away all social constraints regarding who you are supposed to be with and people will still have preferences. Attraction isn't voluntary.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

what a stupid assumption, do you realize that in saying a straight person should be willing to have a sexual relationship with someone they're not attracted to, you're saying the same for gay people too? that you're continuing the narrative that gay people can change their sexualities if they tried hard enough/were open-minded enough? no amount of centuries passing is going to make me capable of being straight, sorry.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[diet_poison]

Do you actually think sexual orientation will disappear in the 24th century or something ???????

What?

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

I've heard some bi/pan people say we just need to get rid of labels.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

Well, those particular bi/pan people are fucking stupid, then. Nothing pisses me off more than the "lol everyone's a little bi!!!" rhetoric. Some people really, really aren't.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

Those people are called homophobes, hth

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

No, they're not. It's not funny to call people names just because they're different from you. I thought we all learned that in kindergarten, but maybe you need a refresher.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[diet_poison]

being 100% straight makes you homophobic now?

but if you're 100% gay, nobody better dare say you're "a little bit bi", of course.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, you can't will yourself to be attracted physically to what you're not. Like, I'm literally repulsed by penises and physically male bodies, so even if personalities clicked like crazy, I couldn't ever be intimate with whoever was inside it.

You're saying that sexuality is a choice and that's horrible.

Re: Transphobia/Cissexism/Homophobia

[(Anonymous)]

I am so happy to see all the responses in this thread that call out the utter bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

That's like three people. I mean, it sucked that it came off the way you saw it but would you have kept up with all of that? I wouldn't, regardless of how I'm attracted to them.

But also, you can't turn from straight to gay or bi even if you've fallen in love with someone. Asexual people fall in love all the time, if you need evidence.

[(Anonymous)]

"Asexual people fall in love" is basically arguing FOR the case of being in a relationship with someone despite not being physically attracted to them.