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fandomsecrets2015-09-24 06:55 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2015-09-24 06:55 pm
[ SECRET POST #3186 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3186 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Steven Universe]
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[Kushiel's Legacy and Harry Potter]
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[Gravity Falls]
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[Lacuna Coil]
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06. [huge]
[Youtube Sam and Nia]
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[Austin Mahone]
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[Eddie Izzard]
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[Worm]
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10. http://i.imgur.com/IOyJzu9.jpg
[Kristen Bell, House of Lies, OP warned for nudity]
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11. http://i.imgur.com/zanEaAh.jpg
[The Great Mouse Detective, linked for porn (illustrated, furry)]
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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Goodness is part of wisdom: understanding the world outside one's own mind, understanding consequences, and understanding that you giving a damn can make others' lives better even after your life inevitably decays away. Your morality is part of society's health.
In line with what Case said above, a lot of "right" and "wrong" is pragmatically socially constructed. What we call right and wrong is partly what society has come up with that works. It's pro-social, and not entirely arbitrary. (There is more to it than that. There is morality beyond social convention, and persons can disagree on morality without being amoral.)
Now, someone can be a free rider, so long as they get away with it.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 03:51 am (UTC)(link)What I mean is that you can quite easily understand all of the above... and pick self interest because making an impact after you're dead isn't really important to you. It's also pretty valid to be like 'why care about legacy when you're not around to benefit from it, if you're dead you're dead, might as well do what you can to enrich your position and make yourself happy and satisfied while you're alive'. For some people that would mean leaving something behind and changing the world, but this is hardly a universal thing. You could wisely say fuck the world or people you think don't deserve to be helped and pick self interest, while fully understanding the implications and consequences of what you're doing.
Like, it's not about just 'getting away with it', it's about deciding that what you're doing is the path that will make you the happiest and most fulfilled, and for someone who is not good but wise, they'd basically be going 'yeah, they are picking the non-good path, they don't think that it makes them a good person, they fully understand the implications of this and what they are and how it will affect other people, and this is what will make them happy'. Saying that to be wise is to choose good or to be truly good is to be wise is sort of iffy, if you ask me. Wisdom is really just understanding what you're doing fully, or why things happen. Assuming people who do this would automatically want a certain kind of good is another thing entirely and I don't think it's as guaranteed or something to take for granted. Someone could be wise to willingly endorsing fracking and to say fuck global warming because they don't care what happens to the world and know for sure that they will be dead in 50 years. They're being very aware of what's going on, understand what will happen, and taking the route that will make themselves happy.
Of course being vocal about those stances might get them shunned a little because everyone else will be all 'hey you selfish asshole' at them, and if they value things like societal approval or being liked, then their actions might change, but if they don't (or 'wisely understand' that what people think of you doesn't actually change who you are, and therefore you don't have to be bound by that) then they could simply carry on doing what they feel is best. And those actions would be wise from that point of view - if there is nothing they care about that would exist in the world after their death, why should they bother to care about that if they aren't a good person?
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Go deeper. Where does consciousness come from? Your consciousness is not a unique phenomenon. Whatever makes you conscious, whatever makes you you, is made of something out there in the universe: whether electrical fields of living matter, "soulstuff," mass itself, I don't know.
The mass, the energy, the spirit if there is such a thing, that comprises you, from which you come, doesn't disappear when you die. Whatever made you conscious is still out there. After you die, it can make something like you, out of the same stuff you're made of, again.
So you, or rather everything that you come from, may well have to live with those consequences. You want to be a jerk to other people in this life? Society may say something about that, but hey, they're other people. But if you're reckless with the environment, your very mass and energy will still be here in the world you damaged. I think that changes things fundamentally from, "Once you die, that's it."
Even if you say that that's too abstract, that your specific, concrete brain, skin and bones will be buried six feet under in an airtight steel box; well, the embalmer will drain the fluids that fed them. Much of "you" will be back in the hydrologic cycle soon enough. And eventually, that steel box will crack. We are not separate from the larger phenomenon of the biosphere. We are part of it.
Reincarnation in the commonly understood sense of transmigration of souls doesn't have to exist for reincarnation in the looser philosophical sense to be very real.
We are part of a continuum.
So, yes, what you say is valid. At one level of wisdom. I just deny that it's the bottom level.
It is fine for a sea urchin to be mindlessly selfish, but we also don't give them the vote, and we probably wouldn't even if they could use it. To be human, however, is to be capable of deeper thinking and moral judgment. What is a human who scoffs at that? Well, human. Most of us aren't much at philosophy, good or bad. And society, in a sense, recovered from Qin Shi Huang, Tamerlane, Hitler, and so forth. If someone wants to be a selfish animal, he's free to do so, and that's nothing new. And society is free as well to scorn him and his desires for "freedom" or "dignity."
There's a lot of philosophy that tries to make humans out to be like other animals, because we're animals. But of course other animals don't enjoy "human rights," either.
I'm not sure this makes sense. I'm zoning out.
I thought I was going somewhere with this argument, and I ended up somewhere unexpected.
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(Anonymous) 2015-09-25 04:55 am (UTC)(link)You literally just said morality is relative, and now you're assuming I would believe or give credence to what you're saying. Since I don't, none of that actually matters and it would be pretty wise of me to ignore this. Or rather, that would be the wisest course of action for me to take, but most likely not for you.
Wisdom, if you ask me, means recognizing - like you just said that people can disagree on morality and what that means. Assuming your beliefs on what is good and what makes life meaningful would apply to everyone else that you're talking to - and that if other people don't get them then they simply aren't digging deep enough into themselves or are denying something that is apparently to you evident - smacks of the same kind of spirituality or religious bullcrap that has people going 'atheists know there's a god out there, they just deny him because they want the selfish pleasures of this world'. Not a good line of argument to make and extremely unconvincing.
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And if you're coming at things from a strong anti-religion standpoint, what I just posted must be nonsense.
The larger point is this: Goodness and morality aren't just made up things. There are reasons that certain practices are reinforced by society. Then again, sometimes they're the wrong reasons, and what is understood to be moral by custom is destructive in fact.
Wisdom isn't just one thing either; it's deeply layered because science is deeply layered. But at pretty much every level, wisdom and goodness are interacting principles, and I'm not convinced it isn't in both directions.