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You were probably a kid. Most adults don't see how terrible of a person Mrs. Piggy is. Mostly because it is a kids show with creatures made out of felt.

Yep, this. It seems to be a popular trend to get all up in arms about Miss Piggy and her abuse now, but I don't think the reason why people failed to take it seriously was because nobody cares about abusive relationships. It's because they're muppets. This is why we don't freak the fuck out about head trauma and broken bones when Gonzo's fired out of a cannon.

DA. I would categorize the muppets the same way I categorize certain cartoons, it's just exaggerated cartoon violence played for laughs and I wouldn't take it too seriously.

The fact that people are using the word "abuse" to describe Miss Piggy now makes me sad.

Soo because they're muppets its okay if they do something fucked up?

Why don't we give cartoon characters a pass for horrendous shit because they're cartoons.

"Oh we shouldn't use the word 'abuse' to describe Peter Griffin. He's a cartoon character! A drawing!"

Actions speak louder than words.

To a certain extent, yes. That's why Gonzo hasn't been arrested on bestiality charges and Animal hasn't been charged with destruction of property, and nobody's calling the Health Department on the Swedish Chef.

So they can't be actually held responsible. But that doesn't mean their actions cannot be criticized or people can't use certain words to describe them.

If a person thinks that the behavior isn't funny that it's abusive, than that's their right.

If someone regularly slaps punches and kicks the person they're in a relationship with for upsetting them , I'm going to call that person abusive. I don't think the fact that they're muppets means it's "sad".

You do you, anon. But realize that because a lot of people don't see the Muppets as real and therefore believe that any harm inflicted onscreen is also not real, then they're not going to feel the same way about it. It doesn't mean they believe that hitting your partner is okay, it just means that in this context, it's not something that bothers them. Just like how people don't get alarmed about self-harming when a muppet pulls off their ears and nose while singing a cheery song.

"Why don't we give cartoon characters a pass for horrendous shit because they're cartoons.[sic]"

Most of the time we do, I thought.

I'm having trouble finding the right words, but I think it's a little different with, say, Peter Griffin because Family Guy was never intended to be slapstick. It's slapstick humor that likens the Muppets to, say, Looney Tunes, and the violence in those is so over-the-top as to be basically something else, which is the point.

DA. There's definitely a scale in how realistic something is versus how much it will bother your average person, even in animation. Everyone has their own place on the scale but it's why in general the further you are divorced from reality the more you can do with a character without the bulk of your audience blinking an eye.

I'd say Family Guy is not drawn or animated realistically but it is written like a sitcom, so it's closer to real life the Looney Tunes would be. So I kind of have your same feeling where I don't know that I'd compare Family Guy with most of the history of the Muppets.

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diet_poison - 2015-10-03 02:25 (UTC) - Expand

So if Kermit slapped miss piggy you'd right it off as slapstick? Or would that make you very uncomfortable?

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diet_poison - 2015-10-03 02:23 (UTC) - Expand

Well, it might be because the new show is for adults, watched by adults, and has adult themes. I can see why people are suddenly realizing, "Wow. She is really abusive."

One of the things I like about the new muppets series is that (thus far, at least), we haven't seen Miss Piggy karate chop anyone. In the Frank Oz days, the breakup scene with Kermit would have been punctuated by a "HIIIII-YAAAAA!" and a battered frog. Seeing it instead as a sad, poignant moment where they realize that they just want different things and no one's really at fault for it made the characters both more human, imo.

Sure, we've seen Piggy tear her dressing room apart in a fit of diva-level rage, but she hasn't actually gone up and smacked anyone. (Again, I say SO FAR).

An excellent observation, thank you.

There needs to be a "like" button for comments like this.

I haven't seen the new show, but I'd love for there to be a flashback montage of her past behavior used in the context of her trying to manage her anger (and also why she and Kermit have broken up now).

Yep. People are acting all self-righteous over imaginary characters karate-chopping each other. It must be nice to have that much free time.

Personally, I like her karate-chop. Gave her personality.

It's fun to analyze stuff like that.

"It must be nice to have that much free time."

Why do people always say this stuff when someone criticizes something? The people "acting all self-righteous" don't necessarily have any more free time than you do - after all, you, too, are here posting your opinions on cartoon characters.

And to be clear, I don't agree with the "self-righteous" people. But I am getting tired of "you must have so much free time if your opinion is different from mine!" and while we're at it "if [thing] offends you, how do you find time to do anything besides be offended all the time?"

Agreed. I'm having no trouble disagreeing with that attitude at the same time as I'm eating dinner and studying. Disagreeing with things and being offended is one of the easiest things to multitask. :p

Except that people don't say it every single time someone criticizes something, they say it if they don't think the criticism is valid or valuable. Which is their right.

True, true. Someone has an opinion and you agree with it, it's just an opinion. Someone has an opinion and you disagree with it - now, having that opinion is a time-consuming action that prevents them from doing anything else until they change their mind, AND it's proof that they have no life/need to get out more/have too much free time/are an utterly bitter and miserable person.

Annoys the crap out of me (and I am quite capable of doing other things while being annoyed by it).

This response is a lame cop out for people who have no argument with someone who disagree with them.

I still remember when I had someone aggressively got on me and pelted me with a bunch of accusations and assumptions about what kind of a person I was for liking something for kids.

I responded to their comments and all they had to say in response was a comment about how I cared "too much" because my response turned out very long. Never mind that I was addressing all their comments and 'arguments'.

I responded to their comments and all they had to say in response was a comment about how I cared "too much" because my response turned out very long. Never mind that I was addressing all their comments and 'arguments'.

:/ How does that even make sense when they were the one who insulted you for your taste first? (They 'cared' or they wouldn't have brought it up.)

Oh, people.

"As soon as you disagree with me or do something I disapprove of you are a sad loser with no life."

That, I guess.

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